Hope you're not lumping me in under that stinky old term, 'Liberal'.
Note:  I may advocate letting science advance freely in a free
society, but I neither advocate illegal acts, other than your
run-of-the-mill sedition, nor did I say much about Dr....who?

Nicey nicey

Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Ramsey" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Medical frauds: Korean scientist hardly the first


> What a great statement.  Thanks Theresa. You are on my must read
> list.
>
> Rob Ramsey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Theresa Rehtom" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:07 AM
> Subject: Medical frauds: Korean scientist hardly the first
>
>
>> I am not against this research out of hand.  I am against research
>> without
> controls.  I am against blindly following the lead of people that
> you
> believe support a cause.  I am against the growing popular opinion
> that the
> end justifies the means.  I am against the use of one measure or
> right for
> one person and another for someone who supports your own cause.  The
> same
> measure of right and wrong must be used for all and I would expect a
> vehement condemnation of this fraud from this community instead of
> excuses.
>>
>> What I find interesting is that when I first questioned the ethics
>> of this
> person I was shot down by the leading proponents of this research.
> I
> indicated that the initial questions of ethics were a sign of some
> sloppy
> work that could cast doubt on the research.  I was told in so many
> words
> that this was minor and that this work was great.
>>
>> Now that it appears to be a complete fraud what we hear are not
>> words of
> betrayal but excuses.  For so long we have heard from those who seem
> to have
> the loudest voices in this forum how great Korea was in this
> research and
> how far ahead of the US they were and what a shame it was.  Now we
> see that
> it was a complete fraud.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that when the liberals on this site see they are
> betrayed by one of their hero's they immediately try to turn the
> tables an
> show that this person was not the only one who defrauded.  In that
> manner
> they want to deflect the criticism that is justly due to those who
> act in an
> un ethical manner.  We will soon hear how this is the work of
> President Bush
> and the evil Republican right wing Christian extremists.
>>
>> I wonder what an uproar there would be here if this were some hint
>> of
> fraud on the part of the US government true or untrue.  It would be
> extreme.
> It's about time that the liberals here denounce this work as a
> betrayal of
> the scientific community.  It is a betrayal and it will set back the
> research that it was reported to lead.  What a shame.
>>
>> I would expect that type of response but will not see it here.  I
>> suppose
> there will be additional excuses and an increase of condemnation of
> those
> who may hold some religious opinion on this matter.
>>
>> For the record, I am not a religious person, I do respect people
>> who have
> religion, I'm not sure of the nature of God.  My opinions are formed
> form
> what I feel in my heart.  From what feels right to me and what feels
> wrong.
> I don't really need any one from either side to tell me what is
> right or
> wrong.  In my opinion this man committed crimes, he was a bad
> scientist, he
> set back this research and he deserves to be stripped of all his
> credibility
> and his research should be trashed.  The people on this site should
> condem
> him without excuses or attacking others as a diversion from the fact
> that
> they were so easily missled.
>>
>> Love to all who will accept it...
>>
>> Theresa
>>
>>
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