Greg, I've already sent you several which I hope you've gotten.  I'll keep
'em coming.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wasson" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Don Reed on ESCR and Joan of Arc


> Ray,
>
> Thanks so much. I would love to get Don's full posts
> if it's not too much trouble. You are right about that
> conversational style, too. It makes him very easy to
> read. Best to you,
>
> Greg
>
> --- rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Greg, I will forward all Don's posts to you if  you
>> want.  Diane Wysak sends
>> me from 30-50 or 60 posts per day and Don's is a
>> regular.  If I cut and
>> paste more thatn 500 lines (whatever that is) PIEN
>> rejects it., maybe the
>> reason she can't post to the List. She sends me a
>> wide variety of views pro
>> and con,  like LifeNews.com another  regular is a
>> Cstholic anti sten cell
>> research site.
>>
>> Don has a very conversational style and links
>> something else to the ESCR
>> message.  I left out the pizza connection to
>> Brownback on the last one
>> because I didn't think it would make the cut.  His
>> son Roman is a paraplegic
>> due to an accident , his sister has cancer and he
>> has lost another sister to
>> cancer.
>>
>> If anyone wants to follow the Hwang scandal,
>> political situaton in various
>> states, research, posts opposed to ESCR, let me know
>> and I will try to
>> accommodate your interest or position.  I did get a
>> URL  once which I copied
>> and pasted but Rick couldn't get it.
>>
>> I make mistakes.  I can no longer type 100 wpm no
>> errors  I can't do as good
>> a job as Murray did, but I know both Diane and I
>> would like to try to get
>> the word out.  I can do little else.
>> Ray
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Greg Wasson" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: Don Reed on ESCR and Joan of Arc
>>
>>
>> > Ray,
>> >
>> > Thnks for giving us Don Reed's moving account of
>> his
>> > own faith and the story of Joan of Arc. Don is a
>> true
>> > hero in the stem cell wars. Aj and I  have sat
>> beside
>> > him and and his son Roman many times to testify
>> for
>> > escr in the California legislature. He is always
>> > humble, his testimony moving and from the heart.
>> The
>> > courage that both he and his son have shown in
>> > remarkable. Please continue to let us know his
>> > thoughts on the battle's in CA and elsewhere.
>> >
>> > Greg Wasson
>> > Louisville, KY
>> >
>> > ps - is it my settings, or is the online listserve
>> not
>> > being maintained - I go to the pien site and the
>> last
>> > post is from october.
>> >
>> > --- rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 55 Wednesday, December 28, 2005  -  JOAN OF ARC,
>> AND
>> >> STEM CELL RESEARCH
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A noted bioethicist, a minister, recently asked
>> me
>> >> to put together my "problems with conservative
>> >> religion"-why I do not trust them with the future
>> of
>> >> stem cell research.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have been remiss on answering his request:
>> partly
>> >> because the subject is vast and very sensitive,
>> but
>> >> mainly because of my natural aversion to work.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But I will try.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A couple disclaimers:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> First, I believe in God. One small nightmarish
>> >> example, foolish even, but real to me: I had a
>> dream
>> >> in which my son's body was lying on a football
>> >> field. He was wearing shoulder pads, everything,
>> >> full football gear. But his head was several feet
>> >> away.  His head was upright on the grass, and it
>> >> spoke to me: "I'm all right," he said repeatedly.
>> >>
>> >> I woke, shaking, sobbing in the moonlight, while
>> >> Gloria also woke, and comforted me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A few weeks later, my son was paralyzed on the
>> >> football field. Was I being given a warning from
>> >> above? I have no idea. But I do believe in God,
>> as
>> >> the source of all.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Second, if I pick on Catholics and Protestants
>> more
>> >> than other faiths, it is because they are my own.
>> My
>> >> family is Catholic; I was raised Protestant. I do
>> >> not imply other religions are superior, merely
>> that
>> >> my ignorance about them is more pronounced.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As to which religion I most "like", I would have
>> to
>> >> say Deism, the faith of America's Founding
>> Fathers.
>> >> Jefferson, Washington (also Lincoln, later on)
>> were
>> >> Deists. Deism basically said, God created the
>> world,
>> >> and after that, He observes, and we have free
>> >> will-so everything is up to us; we cannot blame
>> >> Anybody Upstairs for what goes wrong.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Deism, having no official organization, was not
>> >> attractive to those who like to use religion as a
>> >> power structure, in which they can rise, grow
>> rich,
>> >> and dominate.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The only mark Deism left was an invisible one:
>> the
>> >> Constitutional separation of church and state.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Which was very wise.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Because some religions say they speak with the
>> voice
>> >> of God-- and therefore cannot be wrong-- and may
>> not
>> >> even be questioned.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Which seems to me like a modern-day version of
>> the
>> >> old Abbott and Costello baseball comedy routine,
>> >> "Who's on first? What's on second?".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Me (to religious person): How do you know you are
>> >> right?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Religious Person:  God told me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Me: How am I supposed to know what God told you?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Religious Person: Because I told you what God
>> told
>> >> me.
>>
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