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Marsha, thank you so much for expressing your views. I think this issue is
important enough for discussion. Surely we can exchange ideas about
something that affects our lives so intimately.
I posted the pro-life guy's argument because no one would speak up.
Wherever we stand, your case is more complex than mine, I think we need to
know the arguments pro and con.
Having an incurable disease must have some influence, although I would not
favor killing people to save myself. If I were well I would favor all stem
cell research, but would probably not be on this list and other websites
advocating with passion that it go forward. I would no doubt be living my
life.
As for abortion, I was never in a position to need one, so I really don't
know what I would have done. I do know I would not make this decision for
someone else. I think abortion is much more problematic than stem cell
research; however, you do have a choice, we didn't have a choice with PD did
we? Certainly if you believe SCR and abortion are the same I understand
your dilemma. I never thought IVF was such a good idea, but then it was
none of my business. It sure has created ethical problems. You should write
your story, it would make a good movie, it has all the pros and cons.
Ray.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Lance" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1/Carole
> Ray, I am a conservative Republican. I am strongly against abortion
> except in certain cases such as rape ,health of mother etc. Before I was
> dx with PD I had thought a lot about stem cell research. I truly couldn't
> decide. My son and his wife are having infertility treatments right now.
> They have tried twice with invitro and it hasn't worked. They have
> several embroys frozen so they can try again. Now I have Parkinson, did
> it settle the problem of stem cell research in my mind? I jokingly asked
> my son for one of the embroys, he didn't think it was funny. As you can
> see I am living both sides of the issue. I can't decide but I am leaning
> heavily to stem cell reseach. I don't think anyone really know when life
> begins. Are the frozen embroys my grandchildren. Probably not, until
> they are put in my daughter-in-law. Please excuse the mistakes. This is
> a very emotional isssue for me. i have no idea what m y churches stand is
> on this issue. But as i itype this I am !
> covincing
> myself that stem cell research is ok. Would I feel this way if ididn't
> have PD I really don't know. Sorry this is so long. Don't have any idea
> why the type changed. Thank you all for being there and listening.
> Marsha
>
> rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Carole, I think this is definitely one of the objections. They suffer
> from
> what I call the "fear of Frankenstein syndrome" . The slippery slope
> objection which is fed by the Hwang fiasco., movies and books. Also, I
> think that mixing it with the abortion issue will make it easier to
> overturn
> Roe v. Wade.
>
> Last night I had discussion with my tax guy, a "moderate Republican" who
> favors ESCR and a woman's right to choose. I couldn't get a word in, but
> he
> kept talking about a fetus not being able to benefit from a SS number. I
> got the impression he thought we were talking about fetal cells. I don't
> think he knew anything about SCNT. He kept saying "life from conception"
> was the same as an actual life to opponents of ESCR which I think is their
> belief. His younger, cute wife has MS but only had one episode, is doing
> well and not on meds. He informed me all people with MS were different, I
> told him it was the same with us PWP. maybe if his wife gets worse, he
> will
> listen more carefully and maybe I am wrong, but lots of people really
> don't
> know we are talking about cellular "life".
>
> I still wish some of our List members who favor Bush's policy would speak
> up. Otherwise we can only guess. I have argued with 'pro-life" folks who
> empathize that a blastocyst is human life even though they shy away from
> the term "a' human life or person. They do equate it with adult persons
> I'm
> thinking because it is the stuff of life and people shouldn't be monkeying
> with it, but IVF is OK - it is a miracle from God.. Like the theory of
> evolution, I do think the RR in some way think it threatens their
> religious
> beliefs which I totally do not understand.
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Menser"
> To:
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1
>
>
>> This is not my opinion so please don't start an argument with me.
>> Sometimes
>> the expression "Don't shoot the messenger" seems to apply here. So at the
>> risk of getting "shot," for clarification's sake, I think the objection
>> of
>> a
>> lot of a lot of the Religious Right (among other things that they have
>> been
>> called) is not what ultimately happens to the embryos but what may
>> ultimately happen as a result of embryonic experimentation. In order
>> words,
>> once it begins, where will it lead? At least this is what I have been
>> told.
>> It applies to both ends of the age spectrum. Don't "euthanize" the
>> elderly
>> and don't experiment on embryos (two vulnerable and often helpless
>> populations) because it will open the door to other things that may have
>> more sinister motives and uses.
>>
>> Disclaimer: Again, I'm just stating what I have gleaned. This is NOT
>> necessarily my personal opinion.
>>
>> Carole M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amanda Phillips"
>> To:
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1
>>
>>
>>>I still don't get it , why is using the surplus for research worse than
>>> letting them rot ?
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1998, Week 4 August 1998, Week 3 August 1998, Week 2 August 1998, Week 1 July 1998, Week 5 July 1998, Week 4 July 1998, Week 3 July 1998, Week 2 July 1998, Week 1 June 1998, Week 5 June 1998, Week 4 June 1998, Week 3 June 1998, Week 2 June 1998, Week 1 May 1998, Week 5 May 1998, Week 4 May 1998, Week 3 May 1998, Week 2 May 1998, Week 1 April 1998, Week 5 April 1998, Week 4 April 1998, Week 3 April 1998, Week 2 April 1998, Week 1 March 1998, Week 5 March 1998, Week 4 March 1998, Week 3 March 1998, Week 2 March 1998, Week 1 February 1998, Week 5 February 1998, Week 4 February 1998, Week 3 February 1998, Week 2 February 1998, Week 1 January 1998, Week 5 January 1998, Week 4 January 1998, Week 3 January 1998, Week 2 January 1998, Week 1 December 1997, Week 5 December 1997, Week 4 December 1997, Week 3 December 1997, Week 2 December 1997, Week 1 November 1997, Week 5 November 1997, Week 4 November 1997, Week 3 November 1997, Week 2 November 1997, Week 1 October 1997, Week 5 October 1997, Week 4 October 1997, Week 3 October 1997, Week 2 October 1997, Week 1 September 1997, Week 5 September 1997, Week 4 September 1997, Week 3 September 1997, Week 2 September 1997, Week 1 August 1997, Week 5 August 1997, Week 4 August 1997, Week 3 August 1997, Week 2 August 1997, Week 1 July 1997, Week 5 July 1997, Week 4 July 1997, Week 3 July 1997, Week 2 July 1997, Week 1 June 1997, Week 5 June 1997, Week 4 June 1997, Week 3 June 1997, Week 2 June 1997, Week 1 May 1997, Week 5 May 1997, Week 4 May 1997, Week 3 May 1997, Week 2 May 1997, Week 1 April 1997, Week 5 April 1997, Week 4 April 1997, Week 3 April 1997, Week 2 April 1997, Week 1 March 1997, Week 5 March 1997, Week 4 March 1997, Week 3 March 1997, Week 2 March 1997, Week 1 February 1997, Week 5 February 1997, Week 4 February 1997, Week 3 February 1997, Week 2 February 1997, Week 1 January 1997, Week 5 January 1997, Week 4 January 1997, Week 3 January 1997, Week 2 January 1997, Week 1 December 1996, Week 5 December 1996, Week 4 December 1996, Week 3 December 1996, Week 2 December 1996, Week 1 November 1996, Week 5 November 1996, Week 4 November 1996, Week 3 November 1996, Week 2 November 1996, Week 1 October 1996, Week 5 October 1996, Week 4 October 1996, Week 3 October 1996, Week 2 October 1996, Week 1 September 1996, Week 5 September 1996, Week 4 September 1996, Week 3 September 1996, Week 2 September 1996, Week 1 August 1996, Week 5 August 1996, Week 4 August 1996, Week 3 August 1996, Week 2 August 1996, Week 1 July 1996, Week 5 July 1996, Week 4 July 1996, Week 3 July 1996, Week 2 July 1996, Week 1 June 1996, Week 5 June 1996, Week 4 June 1996, Week 3 June 1996, Week 2 June 1996, Week 1 May 1996, Week 5 May 1996, Week 4 May 1996, Week 3 May 1996, Week 2 May 1996, Week 1 April 1996, Week 5 April 1996, Week 4 April 1996, Week 3 April 1996, Week 2 April 1996, Week 1 March 1996, Week 5 March 1996, Week 4 March 1996, Week 3 March 1996, Week 2 March 1996, Week 1 February 1996, Week 5 February 1996, Week 4 February 1996, Week 3 February 1996, Week 2 February 1996, Week 1 January 1996, Week 5 January 1996, Week 4 January 1996, Week 3 January 1996, Week 2 January 1996, Week 1 December 1995, Week 5 December 1995, Week 4 December 1995, Week 3 December 1995, Week 2 December 1995, Week 1 November 1995, Week 5 November 1995, Week 4 November 1995, Week 3 November 1995, Week 2 November 1995, Week 1 October 1995, Week 5 October 1995, Week 4 October 1995, Week 3 October 1995, Week 2 October 1995, Week 1 September 1995, Week 5 September 1995, Week 4 September 1995, Week 3 September 1995, Week 2 September 1995, Week 1 August 1995, Week 5 August 1995, Week 4 August 1995, Week 3 August 1995, Week 2 August 1995, Week 1 July 1995, Week 5 July 1995, Week 4 July 1995, Week 3 July 1995, Week 2 July 1995, Week 1 June 1995, Week 5 June 1995, Week 4 June 1995, Week 3 June 1995, Week 2 June 1995, Week 1 May 1995, Week 5 May 1995, Week 4 May 1995, Week 3 May 1995, Week 2 May 1995, Week 1 April 1995, Week 5 April 1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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