Marsha, thank you so much for expressing your views. I think this issue is
important enough for discussion.   Surely we can exchange ideas about
something that affects our lives so intimately.

I posted the pro-life guy's argument because no one would speak up.
Wherever we stand, your case is more complex than mine, I think we need to
know the arguments pro and con.

Having an incurable disease must have some influence, although I would not
favor killing people to save myself.  If I were well I would favor all stem
cell research, but would probably not be on this list and other websites
advocating with passion that it go forward.  I would no doubt be living my
life.

As for abortion, I was never in a position to need one, so I really don't
know what I would have done.  I do know I would not make this decision for
someone else.  I think abortion is much more problematic than stem cell
research; however, you do have a choice, we didn't have a choice with PD did
we?  Certainly if you believe SCR and abortion are the same I understand
your dilemma.  I never thought IVF was such a good idea, but then it was
none of my business.  It sure has created ethical problems. You should write
your story,  it would make a good movie, it has all the pros and cons.
Ray.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha Lance" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1/Carole


> Ray, I am a conservative Republican.  I am strongly against abortion
> except in certain cases such as rape ,health of mother etc.  Before I was
> dx with PD I had thought a lot about stem cell research.  I truly couldn't
> decide.  My son and his wife are having infertility treatments right now.
> They have tried twice with invitro and it hasn't worked.  They have
> several embroys frozen so they can try again.  Now I have Parkinson, did
> it settle the problem of stem cell research in my mind?  I jokingly asked
> my son for one of the embroys, he didn't think it was funny.  As you can
> see I am living both sides of the issue.  I can't decide but I am leaning
> heavily to stem cell reseach.  I don't think anyone really know when life
> begins.  Are the frozen embroys my grandchildren.  Probably not, until
> they are put in my daughter-in-law.  Please excuse the mistakes.  This is
> a very emotional isssue for me. i have no idea what m y churches stand is
> on this issue.  But as i itype this I am !
> covincing
> myself that stem cell research is ok.  Would I feel this way if ididn't
> have PD  I really don't know.  Sorry this is so long. Don't have any idea
> why the type changed.  Thank you all for being there and listening.
>  Marsha
>
> rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  Carole, I think this is definitely one of the objections. They suffer
> from
> what I call the "fear of Frankenstein syndrome" . The slippery slope
> objection which is fed by the Hwang fiasco., movies and books. Also, I
> think that mixing it with the abortion issue will make it easier to
> overturn
> Roe v. Wade.
>
> Last night I had discussion with my tax guy, a "moderate Republican" who
> favors ESCR and a woman's right to choose. I couldn't get a word in, but
> he
> kept talking about a fetus not being able to benefit from a SS number. I
> got the impression he thought we were talking about fetal cells. I don't
> think he knew anything about SCNT. He kept saying "life from conception"
> was the same as an actual life to opponents of ESCR which I think is their
> belief. His younger, cute wife has MS but only had one episode, is doing
> well and not on meds. He informed me all people with MS were different, I
> told him it was the same with us PWP. maybe if his wife gets worse, he
> will
> listen more carefully and maybe I am wrong, but lots of people really
> don't
> know we are talking about cellular "life".
>
> I still wish some of our List members who favor Bush's policy would speak
> up. Otherwise we can only guess. I have argued with 'pro-life" folks who
> empathize that a blastocyst is human life even though they shy away from
> the term "a' human life or person. They do equate it with adult persons
> I'm
> thinking because it is the stuff of life and people shouldn't be monkeying
> with it, but IVF is OK - it is a miracle from God.. Like the theory of
> evolution, I do think the RR in some way think it threatens their
> religious
> beliefs which I totally do not understand.
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Menser"
> To:
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1
>
>
>> This is not my opinion so please don't start an argument with me.
>> Sometimes
>> the expression "Don't shoot the messenger" seems to apply here. So at the
>> risk of getting "shot," for clarification's sake, I think the objection
>> of
>> a
>> lot of a lot of the Religious Right (among other things that they have
>> been
>> called) is not what ultimately happens to the embryos but what may
>> ultimately happen as a result of embryonic experimentation. In order
>> words,
>> once it begins, where will it lead? At least this is what I have been
>> told.
>> It applies to both ends of the age spectrum. Don't "euthanize" the
>> elderly
>> and don't experiment on embryos (two vulnerable and often helpless
>> populations) because it will open the door to other things that may have
>> more sinister motives and uses.
>>
>> Disclaimer: Again, I'm just stating what I have gleaned. This is NOT
>> necessarily my personal opinion.
>>
>> Carole M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amanda Phillips"
>> To:
>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: 60 Minutes Surplus Embryo Report page 1
>>
>>
>>>I still don't get it , why is using the surplus for research worse than
>>> letting them rot ?
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