soooooo.... has anyone seen the results of his phase I trial, i wonder? rhetorical question, i think - unless someone *has* seen them...

rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:  His webpage said a Phase 2 study is in progress but no new participants are
being accepted.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick & Oanh"
To:

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: source of turner's 2004 senate testimony


>I believe the reason that ASCs are not being used to treat PD, a la Dr.
> Levesque, is that the procedure is to darn difficult (read Costly). Dr.
> L took a biopsy from Turner's brain, filtered out the few neural stem
> cells, and cultured them for 9 months in order to have enough to
> transplant into Turner's brain.
>
> Dr. L said in 04, and I believe earlier, like 02, that he was preparing
> a phase 2 study. Well, 4 years later, his web page states that the
> study is on hold by the FDA until he has a processing system that meets
> GMP (good manufacturing procedures). His company is either low on cash,
> or he is finding it very difficult to meet GMP, or he figures that not
> many will pay the big bucks to have the procedure done on them,
> considering it may only last 4 years more or less.
>
> Dr. L's company is at: http://www.neurogeneration.com/
>
> Nick
>
> rayilynlee wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mackenzie for providing the testimony. It should be noted that
>> Turner is/was in his 40's. I was 67 when I had DBSs. The aging
>> process is
>> not a factor on our side when fighting PD progression.
>> Ray
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mackenzie"
>> To:

>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:29 PM
>> Subject: turner's 2004 senate testimony
>>
>>
>>> On July 14, 2003, Turner was trotted out before the Senate again as
>>> evidence that adult stem cells are better than embryonic and that PD is
>>> being treated with them (see link below). Looks like Brownbeck
>>> facilitated
>>> the trotting - maybe this is what Ray saw?
>>>
>>> it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing - Brownbeck is out
>>> there spreading the word that ASCs are treating PD, but.... where are
>>> they
>>> being used to do that? no one can find them! why aren't PWP the world
>>> over
>>> flocking to have this procedure? what does he expect people to believe -
>>> that those wicked old scientists and supporters of ESCR have found a
>>> miraculous new treatment but they are hiding it from the world,
>>> because...
>>> they would rather kill embryos?
>>>
>>> it boggles the mind.
>>>
>>> http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1268&wit_id=3676
>>>
>>> Nick & Oanh wrote:
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> What is your source for Turner's PD returning?
>>>
>>> How many years of good living has Turner had?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> rayilynlee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mary Ann,
>>>>
>>>> the "neurologist" of whom you speak was a neurosurgeon, not an MDS
>>>> movement
>>>> disorder specialist.
>>>>
>>>> As for embryonic stem cell implants for PD I didn't think there were
>>>> any
>>>> yet, only animal studies. A fetal cell experiment had disastrous
>>>> results.
>>>> Dennis Turner's PD has returned after Dr. Levesque used his own adult
>>>> brain
>>>> cells, so I agree, cell replacement may not necessarily be the
>>>> answer. But
>>>> hESCR is needed according to most scientists to learn the
>>>> etiology(causes)
>>>> of disease, surely a precursor to treatment. of PD and other
>>>> diseases. All
>>>> kinds of SCR, knowledge and honesty are needed in this fight. Ray
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mary Ann Ryan"
>>>> To:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Why? Mary Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If
>>>>>
>>>>>> whole swaths of scientific research are now decreed "out of
>>>>>> bounds" as
>>>>>> discussion items, what will this group have left to talk about?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scientific research is *not* out of bounds. Discussions about people's
>>>>> right to disagree about stem cell research based on moral or ethical
>>>>> issues
>>>>> has, in the past, only proven divisive. A neurologist left this list
>>>>> (even
>>>>> though he provided wonderful insights into the treatment and
>>>>> mechanism of
>>>>> PD) specifically because of this kind of discussion. We all need to be
>>>>> united in this fight - not divided.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's now widely accepted that stem cells hold the key to cures for
>>>>>> Parkinson's and many other diseases and conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stem cell implants in PWP were discontinued because of the resulting
>>>>> violent
>>>>> dyskinesia that occurred. It is altogether possible that stem cells
>>>>> are
>>>>> not
>>>>> the answer to PD.
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> God bless
>>>>> Mary Ann (CG Jamie 66/26 with PD)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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