Amen. Thanks for your message, Fred.

Rob
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From: "Fred Cobbett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Questions re PD/Bible/Arnie


> As an evangelical pastor, I wonder what those folks would say to me
> regarding "reading the bible". I'm pretty understanding but I chalk up
those
> types of things as well as the ridiculous things people say at funerals to
> ignorance and a willingness to speak from it. They can do a lot of harm.
> There are also some who's theology lies in the "name it and claim it" camp
> who feel all you need to overcome any malady is "enough faith" and so they
> blame everything on the victim's lack of faith. They do far more damage.
> Then there are those who believe sickness is a direct form of punishment
for
> a personal sin. They do a lot of damage as well.
>
> Many of the misunderstandings of the bible come from inadequate
translation
> and a blurring of the lines between metaphor and literal intent - it
> contains both. It's certainly not a "read it once and get it" book. It
> requires study and consultation with many wise people and then God leaves
it
> to us to seek Him for how He will speak to us through it. Once a person
> discerns God's personality and character there is nothing but consistency
in
> the words. Now I'll shut up. There's been a lot of preaching on here in
the
> past that touched on PD only tangentially, served to offend many, offered
no
> constructive contribution to the issues or debate and that I found pretty
> silly. I'll attempt to not go there.
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of rayilynlee
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:21 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Questions re PD/Bible/Arnie
>
> Arnie, thanks so much for the interesting explanations and helping to
> educate  me..  Another list member told me it had to do with keeping
kosher,
> among other things as well.   I see what is meant now by the question
"Which
> version"? when the 10 Commandments in the courtroom controversy comes up.
>
> The male nipple thing is a real puzzle.  Could it be because all fetuses
are
> initially female?  Sure raises questions re the Adam's Rib story...I
taught
> Art History...always wondered why Adam and Eve( "born" or created as
adults)
> were depicted with belly buttons.  I checked Spike out and he has no
> nipples, was neutered at a young age.  I always had female dogs until I
got
> him, so it is something I didn't look for.
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Kuzmack" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Questions re PD and the Bible
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Questions re PD and the Bible
> >
> >
> >> Why in the lesser known (Exodus 34:26-28) of the 3 versions of the 10
> >> Commandments is there one prohibiting the cooking of a young goat in
its
> >> mother's milk?
> >
> > According to the traditional interpretation, the fact that this
> > prohibition is
> > repeated three times (Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, Deuteronomy 14:21)
> > implies
> > that there is more than just the literal meaning intended.  We derive
the
> > prohibition of mixing meat and dairy from the repetition.
> >
> > A modern interpretation would be that the whole chapter is emphasizing
not
> > being
> > drawn into the religious practices of the surrounding peoples.  The
> > symbolism of
> > this one is particularly cruel and jarring.
> >
> >> Why were 42 children killed in the name of God for calling a man
"bald"(2
> >> Kings:2:23-24)
> >
> > The incident is not explained very well, but it seems clear that the
> > children
> > were not just giving a neutral anatomical description.  They were
taunting
> > him,
> > but it is not clear why or why Elisha reacted as strongly as he did,
even
> > though
> > he was mourning his master, Elijah.
> >
> > In the Talmud, the Rabbis are obviously uncomfortable with the incident
> > and
> > attempt to justify it by saying that the children were not really
children
> > but
> > young ruffians.  They also say that the suffering of Elisha's final
> > illness was
> > punishment for it.
> >
> >> What does this have to do with Parkinson's disease and why am I told
over
> >> and
> > over by Christians to read the Bible?  I was told to do this by a woman
in
> > a
> > restaurant last Sunday  when she noted my disability and difficulty
> > moving.
> >
> > There are two approaches:  (1)  They're jerks, so ignore them.  (2)
Give
> > them
> > the benefit of the doubt and assume they meant well and that they meant
to
> > say
> > religion could help you to come to terms with the disease.  There are
> > certainly
> > many examples in human experience of that happening.  But they are still
> > jerks
> > since they don't know that just reading the Bible, starting with page 1,
> > is not
> > going to do it.
> >
> >> I have many, many more questions, like the several versions of Jesus'
> >> lineage,
> > but they can be answered off list.
> >
> > Sorry, that's not my field.  But, in general, if you look for
> > contradictions,
> > that's what you'll find.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >> for Intelligent Design advocates - why do men have nipples?  Spike
> >> doesn't.
> >
> > I am not an Intelligent Design advocate.  Assuming Spike is your male
> > dog -- my
> > understanding is that male dogs do have nipples in nature, but they may
> > not
> > develop if it is spayed at a very young age.
> >
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