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Re: Programs for business schools?

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Margaret Procter <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:49:54 -0500

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Many thanks, Doug! Excellent to hear that you're experimenting with 
variations of large, and with possibilities of online, not to mention 
hopes for inquiry. I look forward to reading your article.

Thanks also to others for the various offline messages I have received 
today. I will summarize them in a few days for the list. There is 
certainly more to business communications in Canada than skills/drills. 
The range and depth I'm seeing give me hope that I can get the Commerce 
people here to slow down a bit and consider their options.

== Margaret



Doug Brent wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> I'll reply on-list because others may be interested in this.
>
> COMS363 is a course for second year and above (U of C numbering starts 
> at 200 for reasons no-one has ever been able to explain to me).  It's 
> positioned there largely because we didn't want to have to step into 
> the huge swirling FYC vacuum that the English department left when 
> they got out of this game.
>
> The course is mandatory for all Business and Engineering students and 
> heavily pressed on students in Computer Science, Geography, and 
> several other programs.  Some of our own Communications Studies 
> students even take it!  As a result it serves about 1400 students a 
> year, so the sheer weight of numbers tends to take centre stage, 
> although we do manage to squeeze in some discussions about curriculum 
> and such from time to time.
>
> When the Haskayne School of Business asked us to take it on, they were 
> in a position where three full-time people who had looked after their 
> in-house communications course were retiring or otherwise moving on.  
> They moved some funding to us in order to add their students to the 
> previous mix heavily dominated by Engineering.  As flattering as it 
> was to be considered the experts in this, of course the money and the 
> work never quite match up.  But you've all heard this one before.
>
> First of my two cents: running a course like this as a huge 
> megasection with tutorials sort of works but it's iffy.  Successive 
> teams of instructors (Tania and Doug Hare, Helen Holmes and Doug Hare, 
> myself and Andrea Williams) were unable to make the subject of writing 
> exciting enough to rapture an audience of 300, who therefore simply 
> did not come.  Smaller sections, on the other hand, seem to work even 
> though the curriculum gets more scattered.
>
> Second cent: we are piloting an on-line version of the course on the 
> assumption that electronic text might actually be the ideal medium for 
> a writing course.  To do this we have had to give up the oral 
> component, which we are not happy about, but are trying to keep a 
> collaborative component, utilizing the strength of the 
> multidisciplinary audience.  Early anecdotal reports are positive but 
> we have not tried to ramp it up past the pilot stage yet.  Jo-Anne 
> Andre is spearheading this.
>
> A third cent, though I was only asked for two:  one of the features of 
> the megasection experiment which Tania spearheaded and which we have 
> been trying to hold onto is a Boyer-inspired emphasis on inquiry-based 
> research rather than writing fundamentals AKA correctness.  This is a 
> hard message to get across to legions of sessional instructors, and 
> one of the advantages of the megasection was having a full time 
> rhetorician in charge who could keep at this message, but we think 
> we've held onto a fragment of it.
>
> I will send you off-list a draft of an article that outlines this 
> research-oriented philosophy.  I'd be glad to send it to anyone else 
> interested as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doug
>
> Margaret Procter wrote:
>
>> Hi, Tania and Doug:
>>
>> I was hoping you would respond. I'd be glad to hear more about Coms 
>> 363 if you think it should be a model for our Commerce 
>> students--especially why it's a third-year course if I've understood 
>> that numbering correctly. I note, by the way, that Professor B. 
>> Curtis Eaton of your Faculty of Social Sciences was one of the 
>> reviewers who was so scathing about the U of T program.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Margaret.
>>
>>
>> Tania S. Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Margaret.  I thought I'd reply to you briefly and see if Doug 
>>> Brent (cc'd) wants to add his 2 cents in regard to the U of C 
>>> experience with Business Communication.  I am not sure how much to 
>>> say because some info might be sensitive, and I have not been 
>>> involved with the communication course since the end of 2003.
>>>
>>> Prior to Fall 2003, our Haskayne School of Business had its own 
>>> communications courses.  For various reasons the Business faculty 
>>> was unsatisfied with this arrangement.  So they redirected the 
>>> resources back through the central university budget to our Faculty 
>>> of Communication and Culture, and we became responsible for serving 
>>> Business students' communication education (in addition to 
>>> Engineering students) through Coms 363: Professional and Technical 
>>> Communication.
>>>
>>> Tania
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret Procter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues (with apologies for cross-posting):
>>>>
>>>> I have just been asked for advice on designing writing and 
>>>> communication
>>>> instruction for the undergraduate Commerce program here at U of T, 
>>>> and I
>>>> need your help. Students in that faculty can take Arts and Science
>>>> courses and use the college writing centres, but there is very little
>>>> instruction on writing within their own program. An external review 
>>>> last
>>>> summer (see
>>>> http://www.utoronto.ca/commerce/pdf/CP_External_Review_2006.pdf)
>>>> suggested strongly that Commerce include such instruction, 
>>>> especially on
>>>> the types of writing done in the business professions.
>>>>
>>>> So now the administrators in Commerce are starting to consider
>>>> curriculum options, with a special emphasis on first year. My first
>>>> suggestion was to look at the innovative first-year course in our own
>>>> Engineering program -- a course on Engineering Design co-taught by
>>>> people from various Engineering departments and from the Engineering
>>>> Communication Program (see
>>>> http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~apsesp/espintro.htm). I have already 
>>>> had my
>>>> say about the ideas of having a post-entry writing test and of having
>>>> student work double-marked, once for content and once for writing
>>>> (meaning language correctness). I have mentioned the Boyer Commission
>>>> emphasis on integrating writing instruction within courses and 
>>>> noted the
>>>> prevalence of WAC or WID programs in other faculties here and in other
>>>> universities.
>>>>
>>>> Now I have been asked to outline ways that writing instruction is
>>>> included in other undergraduate business programs across Canada. Any
>>>> program in Commerce here would be starting from scratch, and the
>>>> external review has motivated the Commerce faculty to invest resources
>>>> and program time in an effective system. Please send me news and ideas
>>>> -- offlist if you wish, and I will compile a summary and distribute 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Margaret.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

-- 
Margaret Procter, Ph.D.
University of Toronto Coordinator, Writing Support
15 King's College Circle, Toronto ON M5S 3H7
416 978-8109; FAX 416 971-2027

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