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Ernesto

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Oh boy, Ray. Wouldn't that be a great side effect. Let me know and maybe
> I'll try it.
>
> Roberta Innarella
>
>
> In a message dated 5/13/2009 2:00:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Roberta
>
> I don't take any MAO inhibitors or much else so the tyrosine is most
> likely
> OK for me. thanks for clarifying the issue. It would be great if I could
> lose some fat.
> Ray
> Rayilyn Brown
> Director AZNPF
> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> [log in to unmask]
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:23 AM
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Question re milk thistleand tyrosine
>
> >
> >
> > The following taken from "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" Third
> > Edition:
> >
> > "Tyrosine is important to overall metabolism. It is a precursor of
> > adrenaline and the neurotransmiters norepinephrine and dopamine, which
> > regulate
> > mood and stimulate metabolism and the nervous system. Tyrosine acts as
> a
> > mood elevator; a lack of adequate amounts of tyrosine leads to a
> > deficiency
> > of norepinephrine in the brain, which in turn can result in depression.
>
> > It
> > also acts as a mild antioxidant, suppresses the appetite, and helps to
> > reduce body fat. It aids in the production of melanin (the pigment
> > responsible
> > for skin and hair color) and in the functions of the adrenal, thyroid,
> > and
> > pituitary glands. It is also involved in the metabolism of the amino
> > acid
> > phenylalanine.
> >
> > Tyrosine attaches to iodine atoms to form active thyroid hormones.
> Not
> > surprisingly, therefore, low plasma levels of tyrosine have been
> > associated
> > with hypothyroidism. Symptoms of tyrosine deficiency can also include
> > low
> > blood pressure, low body temperature (such as cold hands and feet),
> and
> > restless leg syndrome.
> >
> > Supplemental L-tyrosine has been used for stress reduction, and
> research
> > suggests it may be helpful against chronic fatigue and narcolepsy. It
> > has
> > been used to help individuals suffering from anxiety, depression, low
> sex
> > drive, allergies, and headaches, as well as persons undergoing
> withdrawal
> > from drugs. It may also help people with Parkinson's disease.
> >
> > Natural resources of tyrosine include almonds, avocados, bananas, dairy
> > products, lima beans, pumpkin seeds, and sesame seeds. Tyrosine can
> also
> > be
> > produced from phenylalanine in the body. Supplements of L-tyrosine
> > should
> > be taken at bedtime or with a high-carbohydrate meal so that it does
> not
> > have to complete for absorption with other amino acids.
> >
> > Persons taking monoamine oxidase (MAO)) inhibitors, commonly prescribed
> > for depression, must strictly limit their intake of foods containing
> > tyrosine
> > and should not take any supplements containing L-tyrosine, as it may
> lead
> > to a sudden and dangerous rise in blood pressure. Anyone who takes
> > prescription medication for depression should discuss necessary dietary
> > restrictions with his or her physician."
> >
> > I take Azilect which is an MOA (B) not (A) inhibitor so I don't know if
> > the last paragraph would apply as I obviously don't take it for
> > depression
> > but for PD. I guess I'll need to research further unless anyone on
> this
> > forum knows the answer.
> >
> > Roberta Innarella
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/10/2009 3:27:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> > Schaff:
> >
> > I ordered 1000 msg milk thistle and 500 msg L-tyrosine - is that the
> > correct
> > amount or not?
> > thanks so much and for clarifying the bp issue. I couldn't find
> > anything
> >
> > on line that said tyrosine caused high bp - and yes it did claim these
> 2
> > supplements as treatment for PD. thanks so very much
> >
> > here's hoping....I don't take PD meds you know, but am getting worse
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > Rayilyn Brown
> > Director AZNPF
> > Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Schaaf Angus / Meadow Creek Ranch" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:09 PM
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Question re milk thistleand tyrosine
> >
> >> To the best of my knowledge tyrosine has no impact on blood pressure.
> It
> >> is
> >> a precursor necessary for the production of dopamine by the liver. It
> is
> >> quite beneficial. Salt and sugar as well as poor diets have more
> impact
> > on
> >> BP .
> >> Hope this helps.
> >> If it werent for tyrosine in my program I couldnt do the 5 to 6 hours
> of
> >> walking I've been doing the last few days fixing storm damage on the
> > ranch
> >> fences. Needless to say by sundown I'm really wornout for the day.
> >> Have a good Sunday Ray.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:48 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Question re milk thistle
> >>
> >>
> >>> thanks Roberta - I take bp medication
> >>> Ray
> >>>
> >>> Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Director AZNPF
> >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:03 AM
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Subject: Re: Question re milk thistle
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Doesn't Tyrosine increase blood pressure?
> >>> >
> >>> > Roberta Innarella
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > In a message dated 5/7/2009 2:01:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >>> >
> >>> > Yep!
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: "rayilynlee" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:45 AM
> >>> > Subject: Re: Question re milk thistle
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> gee, I didn't know milk thistle would help my liver produce
> > dopamine.
> >>> >> I
> >>> >> started taking it for constipation. Do I need to take tyrosine
> >>> >> with
> >> it?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ray
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Rayilyn Brown
> >>> >> Director AZNPF
> >>> >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> >>> >> [log in to unmask]
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> >> From: "Schaaf Angus / Meadow Creek Ranch" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:40 AM
> >>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> >> Subject: Question re Amantadine/ GSH importance
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Couple of thoughts.
> >>> >> > Have you tried to let your liver produce your dopamine needs
> by
> >> taking
> >>> >> > tyrosine and milk thistle?
> >>> >> > The natural production of GSH by the body is a little more
> >>> > complicated
> >>> >> > but
> >>> >> > following is article from my archives that helps explain.
> >>> >> > WHY GSH
> >>> >> > Oxidative stress appears to play an important role in
> >>> >> > degeneration
> >> of
> >>> >> > dopaminergic neurons of the substantia nigra (SN) associated
> >>> >> with
> >>> >> > Parkinson's disease (PD). The SN of early PD patients have
> >>> >> > dramatically
> >>> >> > decreased levels of the thiol tripeptide glutathione (GSH). GSH
> >> plays
> >>> >> > multiple roles in the nervous system both as an antioxidant
> and
> >>> a
> >>> >> > redox
> >>> >> > modulator. We have generated dopaminergic PC12 cell lines in
> > which
> >>> > levels
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> > GSH can be inducibly down-regulated via doxycycline induction
> of
> >>> > antisense
> >>> >> > messages against both the heavy and light subunits of
> >>> >> > gamma-glutamyl-cysteine synthetase, the rate-limiting enzyme
> in
> >>> >> > glutathione
> >>> >> > synthesis. Down-regulation of glutamyl-cysteine synthetase
> >>> >> > results
> >> in
> >>> >> > reduction in mitochondrial GSH levels, increased oxidative
> > stress,
> >> and
> >>> >> > decreased mitochondrial function. Interestingly, decreases in
> >>> >> > mitochondrial
> >>> >> > activities in GSH-depleted PC12 cells appears to be because of
> a
> >>> > selective
> >>> >> > inhibition of complex I activity as a result of thiol
> oxidation.
> >> These
> >>> >> > results suggest that the early observed GSH losses in the SN
> may
> >>> >> > be
> >>> >> > directly
> >>> >> > responsible for the noted decreases in complex I activity and
> the
> >>> >> > subsequent
> >>> >> > mitochondrial dysfunction, which ultimately leads to
> dopaminergic
> >>> >> cell
> >>> >> > death
> >>> >> > associated with PD.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > WHY GLUTAMINE
> >>> >> > Glutamine is an important mitochondrial substrate implicated in
> > the
> >>> >> > protection of cells from oxidant injury. Human pulmonary
> >>> > epithelial-like
> >>> >> > (A549) cells were exposed to 95% O(2) for 4 days in the
> absence
> > and
> >>> >> > presence
> >>> >> > of glutamine. Cell proliferation in normoxia was dependent on
> >>> > glutamine,
> >>> >> > and
> >>> >> > glutamine deprivation markedly accelerated cell death in
> > hyperoxia.
> >>> >> > Glutamine significantly increased cellular ATP levels in
> normoxia
> >> and
> >>> >> > prevented the loss of ATP in hyperoxia seen in
> glutamine-deprived
> >>> > cells.
> >>> >> > Mitochondrial membrane potential as assessed by flow cytometry
> > with
> >>> >> > chloromethyltetramethylrosamine was increased by glutamine in
> >>> >> > hyperoxia-exposed A549 cells, and a glutamine dose-dependent
> >> increase
> >>> > in
> >>> >> > mitochondrial membrane potential was detected.
> >> Glutamine-supplemented,
> >>> >> > hyperoxia-exposed cells had a HIGHER O(2) consumption rate
> and
> > GSH
> >>> >> > content.
> >>> >> > Electron and fluorescence microscopy revealed that, in
> > hyperoxia,
> >>> >> > glutamine
> >>> >> > protected cellular structures, especially mitochondria, from
> >>> >> > damage.
> >>> >> > In
> >>> >> > hyperoxia, activity of the tricarboxylic acid cycle enzyme
> >>> >> > alpha-ketoglutarate dehydrogenase was partially protected by
> >>> >> > its
> >>> > indirect
> >>> >> > substrate, glutamine, indicating a mechanism of mitochondrial
> >>> > protection.
> >>> >> > THEREFORE: I take L-Glutamine and DHEA to increase the level
> of
> >>> >> > GSH
> >>> >> > in
> >>> >> > the
> >>> >> > body naturally to further thwart the symptoms and destruction
> of
> >> P.D.
> >>> >> > along
> >>> >> > with my other vitamin/mineral protocol which exclude PD drugs.
> As
> > a
> >>> > note.
> >>> >> > I
> >>> >> > never tried the Amantadine. My doctors forced me early to look
> >>> > elsewhere
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> > help since they couldnt due to lack of knowledge or incentive.
> > Not
> >>> >> > sure
> >>> >> > which but I'm alot healthier for switching to a no drug
> > protocol.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> > From: "Ernesto Divo" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:24 PM
> >>> >> > Subject: Re: Question re Amantadine use
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> Hi John,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I'm 56 and was diagnosed with PD in 2000, I've been taking
> > Azilect
> >>> >> >> and
> >>> >> >> Requip (Ropinirole) the nausea form the Requip is unbearable.
> >>> >> >> I
> >> have
> >>> >> >> introduced to my regimen for the past 5 months or so,
> 'MaxGXL',
> > a
> >>> >> > supplement
> >>> >> >> developed here in the US, by a US scientist and sold by a US
> >>> >> >> company. It raises thet levels of GSH in your cells naturally.
> >>> >> >> It
> >>> >> >> took
> >>> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> GXL about a week to work on my sleeping pattern, I was waking
> >>> >> up
> >> 2-3
> >>> >> >> times
> >>> >> >> during the night, now I sleep straight thru the night, and it
> > took
> >>> > about
> >>> >> >> three weeks to work on my cognitive process but it was so
> > subtle
> >>> >> >> I
> >>> > barely
> >>> >> >> thought it was the GXL. I wasn't having problems looking for
> > words
> >> to
> >>> >> > finish
> >>> >> >> a sentence, my memory is back, I don't lose things around the
> >> house,
> >>> > I
> >>> >> > have
> >>> >> >> more energy and I feel good and my wife is happier. It is
> >>> >> >> strange,
> >>> > when
> >>> >> >> I
> >>> >> >> asked my doctor about it he said Gluta what? it seems the
> >>> >> medical
> >>> >> > community
> >>> >> >> is keeping the use of Glutathione (GSH) under wraps, they
> don't
> >> want
> >>> >> >> competition... I order mine from www.maxgxl.com/133282 I
> >>> >> >> suggest
> >>> >> >> getting
> >>> >> >> as much info as possible of GSH, I went to www.youtube.comand
> >>> > searched
> >>> >> > for
> >>> >> >> 'The mother of all antioxidants', there is this doctor Mark
> >>> >> >> Hyman
> >> who
> >>> >> >> explains in details about GSH; excellent video.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Good luck to you.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Ernesto,
> >>> >> >> Miami, FL
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, john emrys
> >> <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> > Hey John
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > I've been on Amantadine since being diagnosed in October
> of
> >>> >> last
> >>> > year;
> >>> >> >> > dosage has remained constant and titrated from 100mg to
> 300mg
> >>> >> >> > per
> >>> > day,
> >>> >> > over
> >>> >> >> > an initial period of 3 weeks.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > I space the dosing about 5-ish hours apart; I've found if
> the
> >> final
> >>> >> >> > dose
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> >> > 100mg is taken later than 8PM, I have trouble sleeping
> >>> >> >> through
> >> the
> >>> >> > night.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > It does give me an energy boost and some minor relief from
> >> muscle
> >>> >> >> > tightness, but does nothing to improve gait or reduce
> tremor.
> >> It's
> >>> > sort
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> >> > just a little bit of "gas" for your "engine."
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > On the other hand, I find it causes auditory hallucinations,
> >>> >> >> > drowsiness,
> >>> >> >> > occasional vertigo, foggy thought processing and swelling
> > around
> >>> > the
> >>> >> > knees.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > I find much better results on GSH and mucuna bean, which I
> >> started
> >>> >> >> > about
> >>> >> > 6
> >>> >> >> > months ago (the mucuna has been a very recent thing, so
> it's
> >>> >> >> > been
> >>> > too
> >>> >> > early
> >>> >> >> > to tell – but so far, I'm definitely impressed). My neuro
> >>> > practically
> >>> >> > lit
> >>> >> >> > his own hair on fire when I told him, but he couldn't deny
> > the
> >>> > results
> >>> >> > of
> >>> >> >> > the GSH.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > The goal is to be able to cut the amantadine by 35 - 50%
> > within
> >>> >> >> > 6
> >>> >> > months.
> >>> >> >> > My view is the longer I stay away from starting the
> agonists,
> >> the
> >>> >> > better.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Hope that helps.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Joh
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >>
> >>>
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