Well said Rick :-)

May I just add that it was Fox news that broadcasted a "Documentary"
propagating that the moon landing was a hoax... Now that is real baboons
rising...!

Nic 57/15


On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Rick McGirr <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Gee whiz, I've been really good about getting into arguments about politics
> and religion on this listserv.  But I simply have to say, Ernesto, that
> you'll have to go a lot farther in explaining just how Barack Obama is a
> socialist, or how he's turning the US into a socialist state.  The rumor
> mills like Fox Network's "unfair and out-of-balance" reporting, and
> rabble-rousers like Rush Limbaugh (who calls himself an entertainer) and
> like Redstate.org, have caused much misunderstanding and unnecessary
> difficulty in discussing something as complex as how to better the
> healthcare system.  For example, the marine in the first video you posted
> did a great job spanking the polite congressman's ass til it was bright
> pink, but he didn't have his facts straight, nor did he know his history
> well.  Nazi Germany was absolutely not a socialist state.  It was a fascist
> state, and Hitler made sure that only the industry owners that were loyal
> to
> him would profit.  Nothing could resemble socialism less than the Third
> Reich.  And the marine was apparently enraged about how the rep. phrased
> his
> statement that you will have the option of keeping the current plan that
> you're on.  But I'm not sure what he was mad about.  And of course the
> neo-con media machine has this misguided marine on all the talk shows
> nationwide, and they hammer home the scare tactics and misinformation.
>
> Introducing the govt. plan would hopefully serve to control skyrocketing
> healthcare costs, and it would also provide for the many poor who can't
> afford adequate healthcare.  Is America to be a place where we no longer
> care for these poor folks?  Aren't they part of the American family?  I
> would say that families are more than a little socialistic, do you see?
>  Can
> you tell us why it would be bad for us to have more options, and why would
> it be bad to introduce more competition in the healthcare and insurance
> markets?  Can you tell us that those who can't afford healthcare should be
> turned away?
>
> These days, I have to be careful not to waste any pills, because my
> pharmacy
> and my insurance co. is so tight with the refills that I might have to
> actually run out before I can get any more.  There are some that I take
> electively that I would like to get more of, but I can't because my
> insurance only covers 4 pills per month. Four!  For more, on the open
> market
> today I would pay $75 per pill! Anyway, without my wife's health insurance,
> I certainly wouldn't be taking any meds for my PD, because I wouldn't be
> able to afford the average $600 per bottle (times four medications,
> refilling every 30 days) When I go to the doctor, he doesn't have time to
> talk to me, because he has all his visits timed to so many minutes per
> patient, and if I'm completing a sentence when the time runs out, too bad.
> He's gone.  If there's anyone I would suspect of caring more about
> controlling cost to maximize profit, it's the insurers and drug companies.
> Many doctors feel compelled to limit the care they give their patients due
> to the profit analysis that their medical group subjects them to.  The
> Merck/GDNF fiasco is ample evidence of drug company hegemony and
> indifference.
>
> If you are lucky enough to have your medical needs satisfied with your
> present insurance, I am glad for you.  You are among the fortunate few.
>  The
> rest of us look at the system now, and it looks to us like an oligarchy of
> the corporations.
>
> In other words, if you are afraid of rationed care and limited coverage,
> look around.  That's the way it is today.  The monster called "Profit
> Motive" has complete control of the healthcare system.  Obama's idea is to
> change that somewhat.  Is this not a good thing?
>
> Enjoy!
> Rick McGirr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ernesto Divo
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:07 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Bad Moon Rising
>
> Small segment of the population...? Sir/madam, allow me to differ, I
> believe
> you are confused and are trying to turn a political issue into a racial
> one.
> It has nothing to do with race, rather, it has to do with the fact that our
> president has done more in 8 months to turn our country into a socialist
> state than Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has done in 10 yrs in that, now
> socialist, South American country.  I know, I was born there and, also
> think
> I know a little about this, our country, have been bleeding Red, White and
> Blue for the past 40 yrs. As you probably are aware, my, your president's
> ratings have been going down dramatically in the last few months, even us
> democrats have turned away from supporting him, as issues, way too many to
> enumerate here, have been exposed in the media and town meetings which
> makes us older, disabled folks take a second look at these proposed very
> expensive, socialist changes.
>
> Below, a couple of videos for your perousal.
>
> YouTube - Town Hall Meeting with U.S. Congressman Brian
> Baird<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRE5UK6NQU&feature=player_em>
>
> http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Ernesto
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, (Stacey) (Collins)
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> > WOW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank  God for the second amendment
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ernesto Divo <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 9:16 pm
> > Subject: Re: Bad Moon Rising
> >
> >
> >
> >  If ever there was any doubt, this removes it all.
> >
> > Gotta read it all, hits the nail right on the head...
> > *This is the article that ran in Pravda on April 27 of this year.  The
> > irony
> > f this article appearing in the English edition of Pravda (Russian State
> > ewspaper) defies description.*
> >  **
> >
> > *American capitalism** gone with a whimper *
> >
> > American capitalism gone with a whimper *
> > It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American
> > descent
> > nto Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop
> of
> >  passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
> > True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past
> century,
> > specially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was
> conducted
> > pon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not
> > ust roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much
> > oney Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
> > Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American
> > opulacefor the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of
> > heir elites
> > nd betters.
> > First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and
> substandard
> > ducation system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans
> > now more about their favo
> > rite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly
> > ffects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a
> > cDonalds burger or a Burger King burger than for their constitutional
> > ights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about
> our
> > democracy". Pride blinds the foolish.
> > Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of
> > housands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part
> > ittle more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top
> Protestant
> > ega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to
> be
> > n the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their
> > locks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the
> "winning"
> > ide, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for
> earthly
> > ower. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in
> > merica .
> > The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed
> in
> > he past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money
> > rinting has been a record setting, not just in America 's short history
> but
> > n the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no
> > ign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic
> and
> > t worst Zimbabwe ..
> > These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came
> > the
> > nnouncement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system,
> by
> > he very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and sw
> > indles of
> > undreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look
> > ittle more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans
> > ave beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate
> > hem?
> > These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees
> > icked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now
> > orging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after
> > nother. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the
> > merican congress (parliament) . Again, congress has put up little more
> than
> >  whimper to their masters.
> > Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motors) president
> step
> > own from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the
> > and of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the
> > elf given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of
> private
> > ompanies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his
> > inions.
> > So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed
> this
> > p with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected,
> > hosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will
> > ven be the guarantor of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the
> > hance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world,
> > oo. Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK
> 's
> > lair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster.
> > pparently, even though20we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored
> > orror show, we know nothing as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our
> "wise"
> > nglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.
> > Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a
> > freeman" whimper.
> > So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democrat controlled
> > ongress of America is working on passing a new regulations that would
> give
> > he American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries,
> > valuate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises
> > nd bonuses? Senator Barney Frank, a social pervert basking in his
> > omosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American
> societal
> > orm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a
> > ooked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his
> > arxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only
> > ffects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive
> and
> > aken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry
> that
> > as ever received a tax break or incentive.
> > The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look
> > houghtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and
> > leeing the land of the Red as fast as possible.. In other words, divest
> > hile there is still value left.  The proud American will go down into his
> > lavery without a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world,
> how
> > ree he really is. The world will only snicker.
> > *Stanislav
> >  Mishin*C 1999-2009. <PRAVDA.Ru>. When reproducing our materials
> > n whole or in part, hyperlink to PRAVDA.Ru should be made. The opinions
> and
> > iews of the authors do not always coincide with the point of view of
> > RAVDA.Ru's editors.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:15 AM, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > I don't know who the author of this piece is, except for the URL, but I
> >  totally agree with it and can only beg you to read the bill, especially
> > the
> >  section that starts on page 425 re living wills.
> >  http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
> >  Peg Willocks had a great idea about us reading the bill.   Let's do it!!
> >
> >  I heard Glenn Beck try to cover his butt this past week in case we have
> >  another Dr. Tiller killing.
> >
> >  Ray
> >
> >  Source:  http:/deepbraindiary.com
> >
> >  Bad Moon Rising
> >  August 8, 2009, 9:18AM
> >
> >  What does it say about America when a small portion of the population
> >  believes their president wants to kill them?
> >
> >  What does it say about this segment of the population when they
> sincerely
> >  believe this ludicrous idea, even though they can't point to a THING in
> > the
> >  Obama health care reform plan that supports it?
> >
> >  What does it say about our country that people -- GOOD people who pay
> > their
> >  taxes and love their children and contribute to society in a positive
> way
> >  --
> >  are so willing to believe that an innocent plan to reimburse doctors for
> >  having end-of-life discussions once every five years with patients who
> >  REQUEST such a discussion mean
> > s Obama will have "death panels" to decide
> >  who
> >  lives and who dies?
> >
> >  What does it say about a segment of our society when people with a
> vested
> >  interest in maintaining the status quo can fool them into believing
> their
> >  lie when a simple look at the proposed legislation would expose these
> > lies?
> >
> >  Why is it easier for this segment of the population to believe their
> >  president wants to smother them with pillows, rip babies from their
> >  bellies,
> >  and send those deemed "unproductive" to the gas chambers than it is for
> >  them
> >  to read the bill for themselves and come to a reasonable, logical
> decision
> >  of what is IN the bill... not what they are TOLD is in the bill?
> >
> >  What does it say about these so-called opinion leaders like Limbaugh and
> >  Hannity and Beck and Dobbs and others who say Obama is a Nazi and the
> >  health
> >  care logo looks like a Nazi symbol and compare a plan to provide health
> >  care
> >  for those who can not afford it and those with pre-existing conditions
> who
> >  can not GET it to the HOLOCAUST -- the most evil act of man against man
> in
> >  the history of the planet?
> >
> >  I'm not afraid of Islamofascists.  I don't worry about isolated Muslim
> >  terror cells causing acts of terrorism in America.  I don't fear
> >  foreigners.
> >  I fear these Americans who are willing to believe that their president
> >  wants
> >  to kill their grandmothers and their babies.  I fear these so-called
> >  "patriots" who believe liars like Sarah Palin who tells them that Obama
> >  wants=2
> > 0to kill her Downs Syndrome baby.  I fear these
> >  intellectually-challenged mouth-breathing shouting idiots, like
> Minnesota
> >  Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann who believes Obama wants to kill ME
> > because
> >  I have Parkinson's disease.
> >
> >  Noise is noise.  Demonstrations are demonstrations.  But evil is
> pervasive
> >  and progressive.  First, they shout.  Then, they hit.  Then they damage
> >  property.  Then... they start killing people.
> >
> >  That is what I fear.  Not some nameless, faceless Islamofascist with a
> >  dirty
> >  bomb.  I fear some right-wing lunatic with a high-powered rifle who will
> >  try
> >  to invalidate a legitimate election with a single bullet because the
> > voices
> >  on the radio TOLD him to.  I fear a group of self-styled "freedom
> > fighters"
> >  who -- inspired by Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann -- will pack a
> rental
> >  truck with fertilizer and diesel fuel and park it in front of ANOTHER
> >  federal building and blow it up in the name of "Liberty."
> >
> >  And I'm not the only one who fears this.  The ultra-right wing Pajamas
> >  Media
> >  hate site, home for some of the most virulent, hate-filled commentary,
> has
> >  posted a boilerplate warning to those who would add a thought to the
> >  comment
> >  section...
> >
> >  Pajamas Media appreciates your comments that abide by the following
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> > re.
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> >  They feel this will cover them from a liability standpoint in case
> someone
> >  takes seriously what they publish in their articles and decides to act
> on
> >  it.  Stories like, "Obama wants to get your e-mail address if you
> disagree
> >  with him so he can persecute you."
> >
> >  When something bad happens and the pushing and shoving at the town halls
> >  escaltes into real violence, and the unthinkable happens... you know
> what
> > I
> >  mean by that... these same people who have stoked the violence and
> fanned
> >  it
> >  and nurtured the hatred that led to it will scratch their heads in
> wonder
> >  and tell you it wasn't their fault.  They were just "talking."  They
> were
> >  just "expressing an opinion."
> >
> >  At some point, we have to ask ourselves when this constant fanning of
> >  irrational hatred and paranoia and tweaking of the fear and emotions of
> >  stupid people who fear the unknown and hate the fact that we have an
> >  African
> >  American as president equates to "shouting fire in a crowded theater."
> >
> >  And we'd better do it soon.
> >
> >  See more at
> > http://deepbraindiary.com
> >
> >  Rayilyn Brown
> >  Director AZNPF
> >  Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
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