hi charlie,

i got your e-mail dated 8-16th.  i  still am having trouble on my web tv.  i 
have tried to log in, but get a message that says, you need an upgrade 
browser.  what is a browser?  i also have a laptop which i hate and don't 
use.  i saw your e-mail on this address.  i will call you onthe phone as to 
how to get back on dbssurgery groups.
sincerely,
charlene lustig

bsFrom: "Black Charles" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: Faux News


> My suggeestion is to listen and read as  much as you can from all sides. 
> With all the rhetoric flying around, thats hard to do.
>
> Some observaations:
> 1.We are headed for bankrupcy, high inflation will be the first indicator.
> 2. The Federal government has NO demostrated expertise in running big 
> programs. See the post offiice, VEterans health care and MEdicare  as 
> examples.
> 3. the CBO estimates that by 2015 (I think) the INTEREST ONLY on our debt 
> will be 306 BILLION per year.
>
>  Ray;
>
> the Constitution is a great document to be sure. I think   though that the 
> courts and the Congress have trampled states rights and the limitations 
> designed into it. One only needs to read the writings of our founding 
> fathers to become aware  of that!
>
> Charlie
>
> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Faux News
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 2:20 AM
>> Tess
>>
>> my big argument with Glenn Beck of Faux News is that
>> he calls progressives socialists, communists, Marxists, etc
>> and condemns the movement in the early 20th century
>> that brought us the initiative, referendum and recall on the
>> state level, and on the national level the direct election
>> of senators, the vote for women, the FDA, etc.
>>
>> No one is calling him on his big distortion of the facts.
>>
>> Apparently lies work as people believe him. At a Tea
>> Party Rally today I saw a "Glenn Beck for President" sign.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Rayilyn Brown
>> Director AZNPF
>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "tess owens" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:46 AM
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Healthcare throughout the world
>>
>> > Thank you Ray! How refreshing, an informative and
>> useful article that
>> > addresses the health care issue, without the slanted
>> and derogatory right wing
>> > hype.
>> > My family appreciates your input on the list and how
>> you advocate for change!
>> >
>> >
>> > Big Thanks!
>> > hugs to you and Spike
>> > Tess
>> > ps
>> > regarding:
>> > "PT Barnum Was Right"
>> > News Hounds
>> > We watch FOX so you don't have to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fox News Proves That PT Barnum Was Right!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There is an old adage, attributed to PT Barnum, that
>> "there's a sucker born every minute." History informs
>> > us that it was spoken in connection with Barnum's
>> Cardiff Giant hoax.
>> > It seems that Fox News is a good example of Barnum's
>> wisdom as there
>> > was one such sucker born recently.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Earlier this week, I reported on
>> > Tennessee Democrat, Fred Hobbs, who suspected that
>> Barack Obama was
>> > connected to terrorism because he heard it on Fox
>> News. Well, it seems
>> > that in a letter of apology, to the Tennessee
>> Democratic Executive Committee, Mr. Hobbs realizes that he
>> got schnookered:
>> >
>> >
>> > "I was not as well prepared as I should have been when
>> speaking with reporters,
>> >
>> > and I should have taken more time to research Senator
>> Obama's positions. My
>> > comments did reflect questions I had after what I had
>> seen reported on
>> > Fox News, but I should have taken some time to check
>> the accuracy of
>> > what I saw on television before speaking publicly. My
>> statement that Senator Obama "may be terrorist-connected"
>> was incorrect, and I apologize for making it."
>> >
>> >
>> > Too bad other Fox viewers aren't checking for
>> accuracy; because, if
>> > they did, they would discover that they, too, are
>> being punked by a
>> > bunch of carnival barkers and clowns who, literally
>> speaking, represent
>> > the greatest "show" (hoax) on earth.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tip of the hat to Think Progress
>> >
>> > ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:11:54 -0400
>> >> From: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Subject: Re: Healthcare throughout the world
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Ray, for this informative article. I
>> think posts like this are
>> >> excellent because they focus on information and
>> informed commentary, rather
>> >> than regurgitation of hyped-up scare tactics and
>> orchestrated
>> >> misinformation. It is well for us to recheck
>> our facts from multiple
>> >> sources and be prepared to offer some rebuttal for
>> all the junk that is
>> >> flying around out there.
>> >>
>> >> Rick Mcgirr
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
>> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of rayilynlee
>> >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:54 AM
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Subject: Healthcare throughout the world
>> >>
>> >> Healthcare Facts
>> >>
>> >> By T.R. Reid
>> >>
>> >> Sunday, August 23, 2009
>> >>
>> >> <> As Americans search for the cure to what
>> ails our health-care system,
>> >> we've overlooked an invaluable source of ideas and
>> solutions: the rest of<>
>> >> the world. All the other industrialized
>> democracies have faced problems
>> >> like ours, yet they've found ways to cover
>> everybody -- and still spend
>> >> far less than we do.
>> >>
>> >> <> I've traveled the world from Oslo to
>> Osaka to see how other developed
>> >> democracies provide health care. Instead of
>> dismissing these models as<>
>> >> "socialist," we could adapt their solutions to fix
>> our problems. To do that,
>> >> we first have to dispel a few myths about health
>> care abroad:
>> >>
>> >> 1. It's all socialized medicine out there.
>> >>
>> >> <> Not so. Some countries, such as Britain,
>> New Zealand and Cuba, do provide
>> >> health care in government hospitals, with the
>> government paying the bills.<>
>> >> Others -- for instance, Canada and Taiwan -- rely
>> on private-sector
>> >> providers, paid for by government-run insurance.
>> But many wealthy<>
>> >> countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands,
>> Japan and Switzerland --
>> >> provide universal coverage using private doctors,
>> private hospitals and<>
>> >> private insurance plans. In some ways,
>> health care is less "socialized"
>> >> overseas than in the United <> States.
>> Almost all Americans sign up for
>> >> government insurance (Medicare) at age 65. In
>> Germany, Switzerland and the
>> >> Netherlands, seniors stick with<> private
>> insurance plans for life.
>> >> Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Veterans
>> Affairs is one of the planet's
>> >> purest examples of government-run
>> >> health care.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Overseas, care is rationed through
>> limited choices or long lines.
>> >>
>> >> <> Generally, no. Germans can sign up for
>> any of the nation's 200 private
>> >> health insurance plans -- a broader choice than
>> any American has. If a<>
>> >> German doesn't like her insurance company, she can
>> switch to another, with
>> >> no increase in premium. The Swiss, too, can choose
>> any insurance plan in<>
>> >> the country.
>> >> In France and Japan, you don't get a choice
>> of insurance provider; you have
>> >> to use the one designated for your company or your
>> industry.<> But patients
>> >> can go to any doctor, any hospital, any
>> traditional healer. There no U.S.
>> >> -style limits such as "in-network" lists of
>> doctors or <>
>> >> "pre-authorization" for surgery. You pick any
>> doctor, you get treatment --
>> >> and insurance has to pay.<>Canadians have
>> their choice of providers. In
>> >> Austria and Germany, if a doctor diagnoses a
>> person as "stressed," medical
>> >> insurance pays for weekends at a health
>> spa.<>
>> >> <><> As for those notorious waiting
>> lists, some countries are indeed plagued
>> >> by them. Canada makes patients wait weeks or
>> months for nonemergency care,
>> >> as
>> >> a way to keep costs down. But studies by the
>> Commonwealth Fund and others
>> >> report that many nations -- Germany, Britain,
>> Austria -- outperform the<>
>> >> United States on measures such as waiting times
>> for appointments and for
>> >> elective surgeries. In Japan,
>> waiting times are so short that most
>> >> patients don't bother to make an appointment. One
>> Thursday morning in Tokyo,
>> >> I called the<> prestigious orthopedic clinic
>> at Keio University Hospital to
>> >> schedule a consultation about my aching
>> shoulder. "Why don't you just drop
>> >> by?" the receptionist said. That same afternoon, I
>> was in the surgeon's
>> >> office. Dr. Nakamichi<> recommended an
>> operation. "When could we do it?" I
>> >> asked. The doctor checked his computer and said,
>> "Tomorrow would be pretty
>> >> difficult. Perhaps some day next
>> week?"
>> >>
>> >> 3. Foreign health-care systems are inefficient,
>> bloated bureaucracies.
>> >>
>> >> <>Much less so than here. It may seem to
>> Americans that U.S.-style free
>> >> enterprise -- private-sector, for-profit health
>> insurance -- is naturally<>
>> >> the most cost-effective way to pay for health
>> care. But in fact, all the
>> >> other payment systems are more efficient than
>> ours. <>U.S. health insurance
>> >> companies have the highest administrative costs in
>> the world; they spend
>> >> roughly 20 cents of every dollar for
>> nonmedical<>costs, such as paperwork,
>> >> reviewing claims and marketing. France's health
>> insurance industry, in
>> >> contrast, covers everybody and spends about
>> 4<> percent on administration.
>> >> Canada's universal insurance system, run by
>> government bureaucrats, spends 6
>> >> percent on administration. In Taiwan, a<>
>> leaner version of the Canadian
>> >> model has administrative costs of 1.5
>> percent; one year, this figure
>> >> ballooned to 2 percent, and the opposition
>> <>parties savaged the government
>> >> for wasting money. The world champion at
>> controlling medical costs is
>> >> Japan, even though its <>aging
>> population is a profligate consumer of
>> >> medical care. On average, the Japanese go to
>> the doctor 15 times a year,
>> >> three times the U.S. rate. They<> have twice
>> as many MRI scans and X-rays.
>> >> Quality is high; life expectancy and recovery
>> rates for major diseases are
>> >> better than in the United<> States. And yet
>> Japan spends about $3,400 per
>> >> person annually on health care; the United
>> States spends more than $7,000.
>> >>
>> >> 4. Cost controls stifle innovation.
>> >>
>> >> <>False. The United States is home to
>> groundbreaking medical research, but
>> >> so are other countries with much lower cost
>> structures. Any American who's<>
>> >> had a hip or knee replacement is standing on
>> French innovation. Deep-brain
>> >> stimulation to treat depression is a Canadian
>> breakthrough. Many of the<>
>> >> wonder drugs promoted endlessly on American
>> television, including Viagra,
>> >> come from British, Swiss or Japanese labs.<>
>> Overseas, strict cost controls
>> >> actually drive innovation. In the United
>> States, an MRI scan of the neck
>> >> region costs about $1,500. In Japan, the<>
>> identical scan costs $98. Under
>> >> the pressure of cost controls, Japanese
>> researchers found ways to perform
>> >> the same diagnostic technique for
>> >> one-fifteenth the American price. (And Japanese
>> labs still make a profit.)
>> >>
>> >> 5. Health insurance has to be cruel.
>> >>
>> >> <> Not really. American health insurance
>> companies routinely reject
>> >> applicants with a "preexisting condition" --
>> precisely the people most<>
>> >> likely to need the insurers' service. They employ
>> armies of adjusters to
>> >> deny claims. If a customer is hit by a truck and
>> faces big medical bills,
>> >> the insurer's "rescission department" digs through
>> the records looking for<>
>> >> grounds to cancel the policy, often while the
>> victim is still in the
>> >> hospital. The companies say they have to do this
>> stuff to survive in a tough
>> >> business. Foreign health insurance
>> companies, in contrast, must accept
>> >> all<> applicants, and they can't cancel as
>> long as you pay your premiums.
>> >> The plans are required to pay any claim submitted
>> by a doctor or hospital
>> >> (or health spa), usually within tight time limits.
>> The big Swiss insurer<>
>> >> Groupe Mutuel promises to pay all claims within
>> five days. "Our customers
>> >> love it," the group's chief executive told me. The
>> corollary is that
>> >> everyone is mandated to buy insurance, to give the
>> plans an adequate pool of
>> >> rate-payers.<> The key difference is that
>> foreign health insurance plans
>> >> exist only to pay people's medical bills, not to
>> make a profit. The United
>> >> States is the only developed country that lets
>> insurance companies profit
>> >> from basic health coverage.<> In many ways,
>> foreign health-care models are
>> >> not really "foreign" to America, because our
>> crazy-quilt health-care system
>> >> uses elements of all of them. For Native Americans
>> or veterans, we're
>> >> Britain: The government<> provides health
>> care, funding it through general
>> >> taxes, and patients get no bills. For people who
>> get insurance through their
>> >> jobs, we're Germany:<> Premiums are split
>> between workers and employers, and
>> >> private insurance plans pay private doctors and
>> hospitals. For people over
>> >> 65, we're Canada:<> Everyone pays premiums
>> for an insurance plan run by the
>> >> government, and the public plan pays private
>> doctors and hospitals according
>> >> to a set fee<> schedule. And for the tens of
>> millions without insurance
>> >> coverage, we're Burundi or Burma: In the world's
>> poor nations, sick people
>> >> pay out of
>> >> pocket for medical care; those who can't pay
>> stay sick or die.
>> >>
>> >> <> This fragmentation is another reason that
>> we spend more than anybody else
>> >> and still leave millions without coverage. All the
>> other developed<>
>> >> countries have settled on one model for
>> health-care delivery and finance;
>> >> we've blended them all into a costly, confusing
>> bureaucratic mess.<> Which,
>> >> in turn, punctures the most persistent myth of
>> all: that America has "the
>> >> finest health care" in the world. We don't. In
>> terms of results,<> almost
>> >> all advanced countries have better national health
>> statistics than the
>> >> United States does. In terms of finance, we force
>> 700,000 Americans<> into
>> >> bankruptcy each year because of medical bills. In
>> France, the number of
>> >> medical bankruptcies is zero. Britain: zero.
>> Japan: zero. Germany: zero.
>> >>
>> >> <>Given our remarkable medical assets -- the
>> best-educated doctors and
>> >> nurses, the most advanced hospitals, world-class
>> research -- the United<>
>> >> States could be, and should be, the best in the
>> world. To get there, though,
>> >> we have to be willing to learn some lessons about
>> health-care administration
>> >> from the other industrialized democracies.
>> >>
>> >> > T.R. Reid, a former Washington Post reporter,
>> is the author of "The
>> >>
>> >> > Healing of America: A Global Quest for
>> Better, Cheaper, and Fairer > Health
>> >>
>> >> > Care," to be published Monday.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rayilyn Brown
>> >> Director AZNPF
>> >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
>> >> [log in to unmask]
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