Confusion will be my epitaph! (King Crimson)

Tell you what, if you want my opinion, ask me. 

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of A Phillips
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Info vs. Opinion

 no, you put your opinions in - if someone can't keep their temper that's
their problem. > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:44:37 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Info vs. Opinion
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
> I'll try harder to  keep  my  opinion out of  my posts.. I thought the 
> Myths and Facts posting was a good one for info  although some would 
> disagree.  I still would like to see the "death panels" for over 70 
> year olds quotes in Obamacare.  I can't find it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick McGirr
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> 
> Fair enough. I'm staying, but will keep my input as gentle as 
> possible. I've heard it enough times. Political discussion is not
appropriate. Ok.
> 
> Rick McGirr
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Ryan
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> 
> Please don't misunderstand what I've written, Dave.  I also love to 
> banter with the opposition about political issues and do so on a very 
> regular basis.  However, this forum is not the place because too many 
> people are already frustrated by the burden of PD.  There are other PD 
> lists where this kind of discussion would be welcome.  I've been here 
> since 1995 or so I've seen a lot of disagreement in  a variety of 
> right/left political discussions.  It has only led to people leaving.  
> Since I believe that the purpose of the list is to inform the 
> participants about old and new therapies I believe a politics should be
left out of the mix.
> ----------
> Mary Ann
> 
> 
> 
> > Mary Ann:
> >
> > Well stated, and It's obvious that that my comments are not really 
> > welcomed in this forum....I have not initiated the subject matter, 
> > but have felt that, if someone else has, that I had an obligation or 
> > right to present my views.  I don't want to frustrate or cause any
problems for
> > those on this site.   I am one of the few more fortunate pd patients in
> > that I am still functioning fairly well, and the symptoms in many 
> > areas have actually regressed to some extent.
> >
> > My response to the above question has, (as is usually the case) 
> > brought further posts that I consider political, but fair game in 
> > this forum....however, I am going to take Tony's advise and "take my 
> > Politics elsewhere".  The question is, Tony, does that include 
> > everyone, or just conservatives like me?
> >
> > I've been a member of this austere group for a couple years, and 
> > have enjoyed the robust jousting with my liberal counter-parts.  It 
> > has been most stimulating...but since I have been sent information 
> > from management on how to unsubscribe, I feel it is timely, and will 
> > do  so after this post.
> >
> > Although we may be miles apart in our world views, we do have one 
> > thing in common, and my wife and I hope and pray every day that PD 
> > will be conquered and all will return to a more normal lifestyle.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary Ann Ryan
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >
> > Sigh!!!!  To everyone who has addressed my post.............
> >
> > Who votes for any party or president because of a single issue??
> > There is so much more to Romney and Obama than health care - 
> > particularly when it comes to PD  research?
> >
> > On one side we have a major change occurring in health care that, I 
> > promise you, will not be friendly to the people on this list.  If 
> > you are over the age of 70 and have a chronic illness, there will be 
> > restrictions as to what therapies will be made available to you.
> > Those changes in health care will occur because of Obama.
> >
> > If Romney is elected, the conservative approach to stem cell 
> > research will probably remain in place - but challenges to the 
> > proposed health care legislation will also occur.  That will mean 
> > that limitations in treatment will not go forward, to the benefit of  
> > PWP and other chronic diseases.ly
> >
> > Pick your poison.
> >
> > Dave, Ray and Rick have consistently been for stem cell research and 
> > thus against the Republican party platform regarding pro-life issues.
> > They have made that very clear.  What is going to change?  In the 
> > meantime, people who prefer to not engage in politics are going to 
> > want to leave the list because of the vitriol that always develops 
> > in these discussions.  It has happened before.
> > --------
> > Mary Ann
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David McMurray" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >
> >
> >> Mary Ann, I have promised not to initiate political debate, but 
> >> when it is introduced, should I not respond?  I realize I most 
> >> likely am in the minority, (unless there is a "silent majority") :) 
> >> on this site.  And at our age, the die, I'm sure is cast.  But when 
> >> Ray or Nic post a question or a statement that crosses the line 
> >> into the political arena, that is when I attempt to express my 
> >> views on the subject.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mary Ann Ryan
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:42 AM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>
> >> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum.  No 
> >> one wins - and no one's mind is changed.
> >> ---------
> >> Mary Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> and thanks for responding.  I guess you fear Obama has death 
> >>> panels in store for us, right?  So what do you suggest for health
care?
> >>>
> >>> At one time in history  feudalism was a  "better" system.   Capitalism
> >>> and industralization  definitely led to human progress; 
> >>> non-industial societies don't do very well.  But is this the end 
> >>> of the  line?  The best we can do? I specifically asked why profit 
> >>> had to be a part of health care and you did not address that question.
> >>>
> >>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr.
> >>> Obama. The repeal of  the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment 
> >>> and commercial banking in one institution led to the financial
breakdown.
> >>> It had kept us safe since the 1930's
> >>>
> >>> I for one  am tired of hearing about the superiority of the  
> >>> United States. For your information  DBS was first done by a French
doctor.
> >>> ProSavin is only being  done in the UK and France.
> >>>
> >>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a 
> >>> phony one. What matters is who is in  the government not how big 
> >>> or small it is.  For the past few decades  Republicans have gotten 
> >>> control  of  many state governments.  Witness the retrogressive, 
> >>> extremist legislation they are producing or attempting to produce, 
> >>> personhood laws, bans on collective bargaining, invasive vaginal 
> >>> exams, voter suppression, anti-abortion, stand your ground, etc.  
> >>> Talk about Big Brother!!!!
> >>>
> >>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for
that
> >>> matter.   We ignore them at our peril.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: David McMurray
> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>>
> >>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in 
> >>> general, profit has made this country the most prosperous, with 
> >>> the highest standard of living, in the history of mankind.  
> >>> Instead of a system, like the Soviet Union and others that shared 
> >>> and share equally in scarcity, (which increases human suffering 
> >>> and a poverty standard of living), our Free Market economy has 
> >>> done just the opposite.  And if we can reverse the direction that Mr.
> >>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for 
> >>> those who want to work hard and improve their lot in life.
> >>>
> >>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can 
> >>> or cannot be treated for.  I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of 
> >>> Experts that will eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have 
> >>> the power to deem an individual unfit for further treatment, or a 
> >>> specific treatment, (based on economic concerns, i.e., what's the 
> >>> cost/benefit factor.)  Obama has mentioned the fact that the 
> >>> rising cost of Care is directly related to the increased numbers 
> >>> of the Senior population and the expensive treatment for serious 
> >>> illnesses common to them.  Denying treatment is going to be a 
> >>> major cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be"
> >>> Unthinkable", but has become "Thinkable", soon to be 
> >>> "Acceptable".....all done for the "common good".
> >>>
> >>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):)
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
> >>>
> >>> I just heard Romney's address to the NRA.  he said Obama is 
> >>> destroying our economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose 
> >>> our own health care),
> >>> and the constitution .   The Declaration of Independence god-given
> >>> rights
> >>> was also cited.
> >>>
> >>> What kind of a  life does one have with Parkinson's?
> >>>
> >>> Is a cure going to come from the free  market which sees no profit 
> >>> in a cure, the churches, or the NRA?
> >>>
> >>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our 
> >>> health care?
> >>>
> >>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A 
> >>> CURE FOR PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE "JOB CREATORS"!!
> >>>
> >>> Please, I beg you, don't return us to the past.
> >>>
> >>> Ray
> >>> Rayilyn Brown
> >>> Past Director AZNPF
> >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> >>>
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