I was referring to your claim that over 70's had much to fear with 
Obamacare.  It is my understanding that the directives  part was removed 
after Palin claimed it was for death panels.  It would be helpful if you 
would provide  the sections of Obamacare you get your info from,  especially 
your statement re treatment would not be given to children with genetic 
diseases.  Thanks.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mary Ann Ryan
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:40 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Info vs. Opinion

I do believe  that the 'death panels' referred to the Act requiring that all
people over a certain age have an advanced directive.  It was amusing to me
that my Republican friends were all over that - yet a R. State Senator that
I know here in Michigan had presented a bill at the Senate level proposing
that people over the age of 70 receiving Medicaid had to have an advanced
directive.  Guess it all depends on what side of the fence you happen to be
sitting on that particularly day determines how you feel about the issue.

Advanced Directives, as all folks on this list already know, should be part
of anyone's medical information.  Even young people should designate what
they want done if they are incapable of directing their own medical care.
Then we wouldn't have to deal with whether or not a vent should be
discontinued or a feeding tube removed.

Incidentally, there was a section in the Health Care Act that stated that
children with genetic diseases that required advanced medical care not
receive it.  I know a mom who fought to have that removed - and Sarah Palin
was a major force in shutting down that proposal.
--------
Mary Ann


> I'll try harder to  keep  my  opinion out of  my posts.. I thought the 
> Myths and Facts posting was a good one for info  although some would 
> disagree.  I still would like to see the "death panels" for over 70 year 
> olds quotes in Obamacare.  I can't find it.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rick McGirr
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>
> Fair enough. I'm staying, but will keep my input as gentle as possible. 
> I've heard it enough times. Political discussion is not appropriate. Ok.
>
> Rick McGirr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Ryan
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>
> Please don't misunderstand what I've written, Dave.  I also love to banter 
> with the opposition about political issues and do so on a very regular 
> basis.  However, this forum is not the place because too many people are 
> already frustrated by the burden of PD.  There are other PD lists where 
> this kind of discussion would be welcome.  I've been here since 1995 or so 
> I've seen a lot of disagreement in  a variety of right/left political 
> discussions.  It has only led to people leaving.  Since I believe that the 
> purpose of the list is to inform the participants about old and new 
> therapies I believe a politics should be left out of the mix.
> ----------
> Mary Ann
>
>
>
>> Mary Ann:
>>
>> Well stated, and It's obvious that that my comments are not really
>> welcomed in this forum....I have not initiated the subject matter, but
>> have felt that, if someone else has, that I had an obligation or right
>> to present my views.  I don't want to frustrate or cause any problems for
>> those on this site.   I am one of the few more fortunate pd patients in
>> that I am still functioning fairly well, and the symptoms in many
>> areas have actually regressed to some extent.
>>
>> My response to the above question has, (as is usually the case)
>> brought further posts that I consider political, but fair game in this
>> forum....however, I am going to take Tony's advise and "take my
>> Politics elsewhere".  The question is, Tony, does that include
>> everyone, or just conservatives like me?
>>
>> I've been a member of this austere group for a couple years, and have
>> enjoyed the robust jousting with my liberal counter-parts.  It has
>> been most stimulating...but since I have been sent information from
>> management on how to unsubscribe, I feel it is timely, and will do  so
>> after this post.
>>
>> Although we may be miles apart in our world views, we do have one
>> thing in common, and my wife and I hope and pray every day that PD
>> will be conquered and all will return to a more normal lifestyle.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mary Ann Ryan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>>
>> Sigh!!!!  To everyone who has addressed my post.............
>>
>> Who votes for any party or president because of a single issue??
>> There is so much more to Romney and Obama than health care -
>> particularly when it comes to PD  research?
>>
>> On one side we have a major change occurring in health care that, I
>> promise you, will not be friendly to the people on this list.  If you
>> are over the age of 70 and have a chronic illness, there will be
>> restrictions as to what therapies will be made available to you.
>> Those changes in health care will occur because of Obama.
>>
>> If Romney is elected, the conservative approach to stem cell research
>> will probably remain in place - but challenges to the proposed health
>> care legislation will also occur.  That will mean that limitations in
>> treatment will not go forward, to the benefit of  PWP and other
>> chronic diseases.ly
>>
>> Pick your poison.
>>
>> Dave, Ray and Rick have consistently been for stem cell research and
>> thus against the Republican party platform regarding pro-life issues.
>> They have made that very clear.  What is going to change?  In the
>> meantime, people who prefer to not engage in politics are going to
>> want to leave the list because of the vitriol that always develops in
>> these discussions.  It has happened before.
>> --------
>> Mary Ann
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David McMurray" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>>
>>
>>> Mary Ann, I have promised not to initiate political debate, but when
>>> it is introduced, should I not respond?  I realize I most likely am
>>> in the minority, (unless there is a "silent majority") :) on this
>>> site.  And at our age, the die, I'm sure is cast.  But when Ray or
>>> Nic post a question or a statement that crosses the line into the
>>> political arena, that is when I attempt to express my views on the 
>>> subject.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mary Ann Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:42 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>>>
>>> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum.  No
>>> one wins - and no one's mind is changed.
>>> ---------
>>> Mary Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> and thanks for responding.  I guess you fear Obama has death panels
>>>> in store for us, right?  So what do you suggest for health care?
>>>>
>>>> At one time in history  feudalism was a  "better" system.   Capitalism
>>>> and industralization  definitely led to human progress;
>>>> non-industial societies don't do very well.  But is this the end of
>>>> the  line?  The best we can do? I specifically asked why profit had
>>>> to be a part of health care and you did not address that question.
>>>>
>>>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr.
>>>> Obama. The repeal of  the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment and
>>>> commercial banking in one institution led to the financial breakdown.
>>>> It had kept us safe since the 1930's
>>>>
>>>> I for one  am tired of hearing about the superiority of the  United
>>>> States. For your information  DBS was first done by a French doctor.
>>>> ProSavin is only being  done in the UK and France.
>>>>
>>>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a
>>>> phony one. What matters is who is in  the government not how big or
>>>> small it is.  For the past few decades  Republicans have gotten
>>>> control  of  many state governments.  Witness the retrogressive,
>>>> extremist legislation they are producing or attempting to produce,
>>>> personhood laws, bans on collective bargaining, invasive vaginal
>>>> exams, voter suppression, anti-abortion, stand your ground, etc.  Talk 
>>>> about Big Brother!!!!
>>>>
>>>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for 
>>>> that
>>>> matter.   We ignore them at our peril.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David McMurray
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>>>>
>>>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in general,
>>>> profit has made this country the most prosperous, with the highest
>>>> standard of living, in the history of mankind.  Instead of a system,
>>>> like the Soviet Union and others that shared and share equally in
>>>> scarcity, (which increases human suffering and a poverty standard of
>>>> living), our Free Market economy has done just the opposite.  And if
>>>> we can reverse the direction that Mr.
>>>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for
>>>> those who want to work hard and improve their lot in life.
>>>>
>>>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can or
>>>> cannot be treated for.  I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of
>>>> Experts that will eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have the
>>>> power to deem an individual unfit for further treatment, or a
>>>> specific treatment, (based on economic concerns, i.e., what's the
>>>> cost/benefit factor.)  Obama has mentioned the fact that the rising
>>>> cost of Care is directly related to the increased numbers of the
>>>> Senior population and the expensive treatment for serious illnesses
>>>> common to them.  Denying treatment is going to be a major
>>>> cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be"
>>>> Unthinkable", but has become "Thinkable", soon to be
>>>> "Acceptable".....all done for the "common good".
>>>>
>>>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):)
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rayilyn Brown
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>>>>
>>>> I just heard Romney’s address to the NRA.  he said Obama is
>>>> destroying our economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose
>>>> our own health care),
>>>> and the constitution .   The Declaration of Independence god-given
>>>> rights
>>>> was also cited.
>>>>
>>>> What kind of a  life does one have with Parkinson’s?
>>>>
>>>> Is a cure going to come from the free  market which sees no profit
>>>> in a cure, the churches, or the NRA?
>>>>
>>>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our
>>>> health care?
>>>>
>>>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A
>>>> CURE FOR PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE “JOB CREATORS”!!
>>>>
>>>> Please, I beg you, don’t return us to the past.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>> Rayilyn Brown
>>>> Past Director AZNPF
>>>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
>>>>
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