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^^^^^^GREETINGS FROM^^^^^^^^^^
Ivan Suzman 47/10 [log in to unmask]
Portland, Maine land of lighthouses deg. F
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Deaar Bob,
Thank you for caring. It is especially appreciaated.
Sometimes anger, even fury, is part of wellness.
I hope you will see my post to our beloved Janet Paterson.
Thank you again.
IVAN
On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:07:23 -0400 Bob Chapman <[log in to unmask]> writes:
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>Ivan I wanted to your respond to your posting when I saw it and say
>much the same thing as this reply from Janet, except I couldn't think
>of how to say it without the risk of sounding like I was putting you
>down, which I do not want to do. I would like to add to Janet's
>suggestions that if you can't break loose from this monster then
>please
>get some professional help, we want you to be well again.
>
>
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>janet paterson wrote:
>
>> my dear cyber-sibling ivan
>>
>> i am worried about you
>> i don't say that lightly
>>
>> you must know me a little bit by now from all my postings
>> i'm very reluctant to judge anyone
>>
>> i tend to think and mull and turn things over
>> in my head before i spill them out
>>
>> the bare skeleton
>> of your conflict with the npf
>> is that this occurred some time ago [more than a year?]
>> and this is the second time you've brought the details to the list
>>
>> far be it from me to declare the purpose of this list
>>
>> that authority
>> if it must be exercised
>> must come from the list owner, barb patterson
>> who created this miraculous communication medium
>> out of her own generosity and hard work
>>
>> i am going through my own personal crises
>> we all do
>> from time to time
>>
>> but i don't 'expect' them to be solved by anyone else
>> that chore is mine alone
>> and the solution must come from within me
>> not from 'outside' regardless of how loving, supportive, helpful etc
>>
>> i need a new country and a new job
>> not 'just' a little bundle of cash
>> [i don't intend to 'minimize' your conflict
>> but to 'force' you to look at it from a different perspective]
>>
>> granted, i asked the list for advice and comments
>> but i am not 'expecting' them to solve my problems for me
>>
>> i believe that the reason we are here on this planet
>> is to be given tasks to learn from
>>
>> if we don't learn
>> for whatever reason
>> the same problems keep coming up again and again
>> until we finally learn how to solve them...
>> and then along comes the next...
>>
>> you have been through tough times in the past
>> and have been able to conquer them
>>
>> what is holding you back from that now?
>>
>> is it possible
>> that you are becoming obsessed by this one conflict?
>>
>> if your thinking processes
>> are getting distorted, by meds, say, how would you know?
>> is there some kind of safety check?
>>
>> eg with cd and me
>> there are one or two specific situations
>> where i might behave/react in a certain specific way
>> that i can now recognise as clear warning signs of cd's return
>> even thru the murk
>>
>> >THIS must for Heaven;s sake please STOP
>> >before it causes me to break down.
>>
>> 'it' cannot cause you to do anything or feel anything
>>
>> if you 'break down'
>> it's because you are allowing yourself to react in this way
>>
>> it is sometimes very difficult to see that you have a choice here
>> but you really do
>> and once you comprehend that
>> you will feel more empowered than you have ever felt
>>
>> >.. requesting me to STOP asking our listmembers to help me figure
>> >out some way to be compensated for the devastation, but avoiding
>> >the ordeaal of Court, I have experienced at the hands of the
>> >National Parkinson's Foundation and its disappearing
>> >doctor Sanchez-Ramos. This has re-opened a horrible nightmare...
>>
>> my dear ivan
>>
>> "devastation" "ordeal" "horrible nightmare"
>> "cover-up" "big brother" "gestapo" "hidden forces" "quarantined"
>>
>> all sound to me like exaggerations of a paranoid order
>>
>> i am not a medico but i know how brain chemistry
>> can distort my thought processes
>> so that i lose perspective
>>
>> why not try 'flipping' your perception of the whole thing
>> into a game, a cosmic joke, an absurdity
>> and just laugh at it
>> and let it go?
>>
>> "Impossible!" you say?
>> believe it or not, that choice is yours
>> those emotions of yours are not coming from 'out there'
>> they are coming from inside you
>> and that's the only place where you can deal with them effectively
>>
>> >The cover-up and silence the NPF is trying to impose
>> >on my friends and family and myself makes me feel ...
>>
>> again
>> you have the choice of how you feel and how you react
>>
>> however, if your perceptions are skewed [by meds] for instance
>> than any reaction based on false or distorted perception
>> is going to be skewed or false as well
>>
>> just because you feel an emotion
>> doesn't necessarily mean that the emotion is valid
>> it can't be valid if it is a response to a distorted perception
>>
>> when peter flintermann had that terrible med reaction
>> imagine how his thought processes must have been
>> twisted and distorted
>> by our beloved and indispensible pd meds
>>
>> he wasn't 'crazy' - he was suffering medication induced psychosis
>> to an extreme degree
>>
>> think about how a 'mild' or 'moderate' degree of the same
>> might manifest itself
>>
>> >I've worked as hard as possible ....
>> >I will continue onward in this positive way.
>>
>> there is no doubt whatever
>> that you have been selfless and generous in your work for pd
>>
>> the simple fact that, at the moment,
>> you cannot seem to see this list
>> as a similarly selfless and generous creation by barb patterson
>> rings a loud warning bell in my head
>> that your normal perceptions are being distorted
>>
>> please know that i offer this
>> not with any criticism or judgment at all
>> just deep concern for you and your health
>>
>> i don't think the npf is the problem here
>>
>> your parkie sister
>>
>> janet
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1998, Week 4 August 1998, Week 3 August 1998, Week 2 August 1998, Week 1 July 1998, Week 5 July 1998, Week 4 July 1998, Week 3 July 1998, Week 2 July 1998, Week 1 June 1998, Week 5 June 1998, Week 4 June 1998, Week 3 June 1998, Week 2 June 1998, Week 1 May 1998, Week 5 May 1998, Week 4 May 1998, Week 3 May 1998, Week 2 May 1998, Week 1 April 1998, Week 5 April 1998, Week 4 April 1998, Week 3 April 1998, Week 2 April 1998, Week 1 March 1998, Week 5 March 1998, Week 4 March 1998, Week 3 March 1998, Week 2 March 1998, Week 1 February 1998, Week 5 February 1998, Week 4 February 1998, Week 3 February 1998, Week 2 February 1998, Week 1 January 1998, Week 5 January 1998, Week 4 January 1998, Week 3 January 1998, Week 2 January 1998, Week 1 December 1997, Week 5 December 1997, Week 4 December 1997, Week 3 December 1997, Week 2 December 1997, Week 1 November 1997, Week 5 November 1997, Week 4 November 1997, Week 3 November 1997, Week 2 November 1997, Week 1 October 1997, Week 5 October 1997, Week 4 October 1997, Week 3 October 1997, Week 2 October 1997, Week 1 September 1997, Week 5 September 1997, Week 4 September 1997, Week 3 September 1997, Week 2 September 1997, Week 1 August 1997, Week 5 August 1997, Week 4 August 1997, Week 3 August 1997, Week 2 August 1997, Week 1 July 1997, Week 5 July 1997, Week 4 July 1997, Week 3 July 1997, Week 2 July 1997, Week 1 June 1997, Week 5 June 1997, Week 4 June 1997, Week 3 June 1997, Week 2 June 1997, Week 1 May 1997, Week 5 May 1997, Week 4 May 1997, Week 3 May 1997, Week 2 May 1997, Week 1 April 1997, Week 5 April 1997, Week 4 April 1997, Week 3 April 1997, Week 2 April 1997, Week 1 March 1997, Week 5 March 1997, Week 4 March 1997, Week 3 March 1997, Week 2 March 1997, Week 1 February 1997, Week 5 February 1997, Week 4 February 1997, Week 3 February 1997, Week 2 February 1997, Week 1 January 1997, Week 5 January 1997, Week 4 January 1997, Week 3 January 1997, Week 2 January 1997, Week 1 December 1996, Week 5 December 1996, Week 4 December 1996, Week 3 December 1996, Week 2 December 1996, Week 1 November 1996, Week 5 November 1996, Week 4 November 1996, Week 3 November 1996, Week 2 November 1996, Week 1 October 1996, Week 5 October 1996, Week 4 October 1996, Week 3 October 1996, Week 2 October 1996, Week 1 September 1996, Week 5 September 1996, Week 4 September 1996, Week 3 September 1996, Week 2 September 1996, Week 1 August 1996, Week 5 August 1996, Week 4 August 1996, Week 3 August 1996, Week 2 August 1996, Week 1 July 1996, Week 5 July 1996, Week 4 July 1996, Week 3 July 1996, Week 2 July 1996, Week 1 June 1996, Week 5 June 1996, Week 4 June 1996, Week 3 June 1996, Week 2 June 1996, Week 1 May 1996, Week 5 May 1996, Week 4 May 1996, Week 3 May 1996, Week 2 May 1996, Week 1 April 1996, Week 5 April 1996, Week 4 April 1996, Week 3 April 1996, Week 2 April 1996, Week 1 March 1996, Week 5 March 1996, Week 4 March 1996, Week 3 March 1996, Week 2 March 1996, Week 1 February 1996, Week 5 February 1996, Week 4 February 1996, Week 3 February 1996, Week 2 February 1996, Week 1 January 1996, Week 5 January 1996, Week 4 January 1996, Week 3 January 1996, Week 2 January 1996, Week 1 December 1995, Week 5 December 1995, Week 4 December 1995, Week 3 December 1995, Week 2 December 1995, Week 1 November 1995, Week 5 November 1995, Week 4 November 1995, Week 3 November 1995, Week 2 November 1995, Week 1 October 1995, Week 5 October 1995, Week 4 October 1995, Week 3 October 1995, Week 2 October 1995, Week 1 September 1995, Week 5 September 1995, Week 4 September 1995, Week 3 September 1995, Week 2 September 1995, Week 1 August 1995, Week 5 August 1995, Week 4 August 1995, Week 3 August 1995, Week 2 August 1995, Week 1 July 1995, Week 5 July 1995, Week 4 July 1995, Week 3 July 1995, Week 2 July 1995, Week 1 June 1995, Week 5 June 1995, Week 4 June 1995, Week 3 June 1995, Week 2 June 1995, Week 1 May 1995, Week 5 May 1995, Week 4 May 1995, Week 3 May 1995, Week 2 May 1995, Week 1 April 1995, Week 5 April 1995, Week 4 April 1995, Week 3 April 1995, Week 2 April 1995, Week 1 March 1995, Week 5 March 1995, Week 4 March 1995, Week 3 March 1995, Week 2 March 1995, Week 1 February 1995, Week 4 February 1995, Week 3 February 1995, Week 2 February 1995, Week 1 January 1995, Week 5 January 1995, Week 4 January 1995, Week 3 January 1995, Week 2 January 1995, Week 1 December 1994, Week 5 December 1994, Week 4 December 1994, Week 3 December 1994, Week 2 December 1994, Week 1 November 1994, Week 5 November 1994, Week 4 November 1994, Week 3 November 1994, Week 2 November 1994, Week 1 October 1994, Week 5 October 1994, Week 4 October 1994, Week 3 October 1994, Week 2 October 1994, Week 1 September 1994, Week 5 September 1994, Week 4 September 1994, Week 3 September 1994, Week 2 September 1994, Week 1 August 1994, Week 5 August 1994, Week 4 August 1994, Week 3 August 1994, Week 2 August 1994, Week 1 July 1994, Week 5 July 1994, Week 4 July 1994, Week 3 July 1994, Week 2 July 1994, Week 1 June 1994, Week 5 June 1994, Week 4 June 1994, Week 3 June 1994, Week 2 June 1994, Week 1 May 1994, Week 5 May 1994, Week 4 May 1994, Week 3 May 1994, Week 2 May 1994, Week 1 April 1994, Week 5 April 1994, Week 4 April 1994, Week 3 April 1994, Week 2 April 1994, Week 1 March 1994, Week 5 March 1994, Week 4 March 1994, Week 3 March 1994, Week 2 March 1994, Week 1 February 1994, Week 4 February 1994, Week 3 February 1994, Week 2 February 1994, Week 1 February 1994 January 1994 December 1993 November 1993
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