I inquired of Betty Noel about MSG, as she has given us information on
aspartame before.  She replied to the list, got bounce because she is not a
member, and then asked me to forward her comments, which are as
follows:

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:40:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Betty Martini <[log in to unmask]>
To: Arthur Hirsch <[log in to unmask]>
cc: Parkinson's Information Exchange <[log in to unmask]>,
  [log in to unmask], Madelon Price <[log in to unmask]>,
  "h.j. roberts" <[log in to unmask]>,
  Jack and Adrienne Samuels <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: MSG Question

Dear Arthur:  In order to help you, I am copying this message to the
experts in this field.  Jack Samuels is the expert on MSG and is the man
who filed suit against the FDA to have it labeled.  There are many names
for MSG and people don't realize they are ingesting it.  In the case of
Jack Samuels, if he ingested it he could go into anaphylactic shock.  He
has sent out material for years, written articles and exposed all
the problems.  He is the man to talk to.  Also, Dr. John Olney, is a world
famous researcher who made world news last year over the fact that the
population is coming down with the same brain tumor as the rats who were
fed aspartame.  I have a reprint of Dr. Olney paper in l970 titled Brain
Damage In Infant Mice Following Oral Intake of Glutamate, Aspartate or
Cysteine.  Dr. Madlon Price who works with Dr. Olney is on our Mission
Possible list and she can give you some information as well.

Dr. H. J. Roberts is the world expert on aspartame and has written many
books, hundreds of publications and has tapes on this deadly neurotoxin,
marketed as NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, and no telling what else since
the patent expired.  His books can be gotten at 1 800 -814-9800.  In his
book Aspartame (NutraSweet) Is It Safe? (Charles Press, Philadelphia), he
discusses how aspartame changes the dopamine level of the brain.  It also
can trigger Parkinson's.  Anybody with this disease needs to get off of
aspartame right away.  This is how I found out about aspartame in the
first place.  As it happened, Dr. Ron Austin, a friend from California
visited me and gave me an article on aspartame and mentioned that it was a
poison and broke down into formaldehyde.  A few weeks later I noticed a
dear friend who had JUST BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH PARKINSONS appeared to be
dying.  With a medical background I knew you don't get Parkinson's one day
and die the next.  He couldn't form the words to talk and he was like a
toy soldier out of control, his arms and legs kicking out.  He is a great
speaker but at a convention it took two men to help him to the podium, and
he coudln't even remember the words of prayer and had to read it.

When I saw Dick I asked him if he was on NutraSweet and he said  he was.
I told him to get off of it and asked to be referred to an expert on
aspartame.  Thats when I met Dr. Roberts who told me to get him off
aspartame right away because it changes the brain chemistry.  I was
shocked that something as deadly as aspartame would be on the market in
the first place, and secondly, had no warning for patients with Parkinson
Disease.  But Dick got off aspartame and a week later all the kicking
motions disappeared and he could speak again.  I know that if I had not
warned him off he would be dead today.

As I read Dr. Roberts books and learned more about aspartame it was
obvious that 5 out of 7 people today on aspartame already have some of the
symptoms or a disease triggered by this neurotoxin.  Everywhere I went I
was noticing the symptoms or diseases and spent much of my time getting
people of aspartame and watching their symptoms disappear.  Fianlly I
started a worldwide volunteer force, now in many countries of the world,
called Mission Possible.  All we do is warn people off this deadly poison.
And of late, since they given blanket approval to aspartame, people are
getting sick quicker and we have several cases that have died of late.

You will see below my signature, the DORway web page, and on it are the 92
symptoms from the FDA report that I got under Freedom of Information.  In
a nutshell, aspartame destroys the brain, the optic nerve and the central
nervous system.  It ravages every organ of the body.  It also triggers an
irregular heart rhythm and doctors not realizing that aspartame is a drug
and not an additive, medicate these patients and the drugs interact
causing heart block or sudden deaths from myocardial infarctions.  Victims
have been taken to Emergency Rooms with racing heart, palpitations,
tachycardia, etc.  The ADI or Allowable DAily Intake was actually set for
rats as brought out in Dr. Roberts books, and not humans.  You cannot set
an ADI for poison for humans.  And thats what aspartame is.  It has no
redeeming effects.  It is not even a diet product, the congresional record
which list the 30 pages of the protest by the National Soft Drink
Association, state that aspartame makes you crave carbohydrates so you
gain weight.  And methanol is a cumulative poison.  It converts to
formaldehyde and then formic acid and causes metabolic acidosis.  This
wood alcohol also converts in the retina of the eye and causes retinal
detachments and other eye problems including blindness.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon, has written a book about MSG and
aspartame also, called EXCITOTOXINS; THE TASTE THAT KILLS - 1 800
-543-2665.  He also goes into Parkinson's Disease as well as how it mimics
MS.

Dr. Roberts books and Dr. Blaylock's book is a must for anyone with
Parkinson's Disease.

We have demanded the recall of aspartame from the worldwide market and the
FDA just ignores it.  Case histories flood in daily of the sick and dying
on aspartame.  You could take them from the Internet 24 hours a day.  This
is the reason we have gotten other countries to set up their own Mission
Possible operations, and we are now in Sweden, Peru, New Zealand,
Australia, Greece, India, France, Mexico, Canada, Holland, Finland, etc.

Every Parkinson's patient should be told that aspartame is a neurotoxin
and can in fact cause their death because it changes brain chemistry.

I'll turn you over to the experts and if I can help further please get
back in touch.  Also check out Mark Gold's web page, address below my
signature, who has a large web page on aspartame and MSG.  Also, you will
see a web page titled NOTMILK and there is a new book by Robert Cohen that
exposes the FDA and Monsanto (maker of the bovine growth hormone and
NutraSweet).  This is another book that should be part of the library
because it is another poison to the Parkinson patient.

Regards,
Betty

P.S.

Believe the NO MSG site.  They are telling you the truth.  The other
people are probably paid by the glutimate society to give you false
information.  They pay a lot of people.  Jack will tell you.

Regards,
Betty
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On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Arthur Hirsch wrote:

> At 09:48 PM 11/5/97 -0500, Jackie ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>
> >The site below says that it is a neurotransmitter, because it fools your
> >brain into thinking that you are eating good quality food.
> >
> >http://nomsg.com/
> >
> >The site below says that it is a safe ingredient.
> >
> >http://www.msgfacts.com/
> >
> >I don't know which one to believe.  What do you think?
> >
> >Jackie
> >
>
> Jackie, as a result of Ms. Martini's letters, I gave up aspartame.  I have
> not noticed that I feel better as a result, but her reasoning, elsewhere in
> the correspondence, is compelling.  I do know of people who have had
> negative reactions from both aspartame and MSG, but in neither case can I
> draw any conclusions relating to either PD or any other segment of the
> public to which these negative reactions might happen with greater
frequency.
>
> Perhaps she might have gathered further information on this in the year
> plus since these documents were written.  I am copying her on this memo
> with the expressed intent of asking if she can guide us further.  Betty,
> can you help, please?
>
> Art

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:00:06 -0500
From: "Dave Rietz (www.dorway.com)" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Monosodium Glutamate


  This from: http://www.epa.gov/edrlupvx/inventory/NICH-001.html

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EDRI Federal Project Inventory:
16358-11 DRUG METABOLISM: SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DELAYED TERATOGENESIS

1.Sponsor Organization: NIH/NICHD

2.Project Title: 16358-11 DRUG METABOLISM: SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DELAYED
TERATOGENESIS

3.Project Focus: HUMAN HEALTH EFFECTS, EXPOSURE ASSESSMENT

4.Description: During the past two decades there has been a dramatic
increase in the consumption of drugs by pregnant women. While these drugs
may be therapeutic, or at least nontoxic to the mother, they could produce
irreparable damage to the unborn child. It has been shown that drugs taken
during pregnancy may act as teratogens producing structural malformations
in the fetus. Many drugs can also produce more subtle biochemical and
physiological teratogenic defects in the fetus. While these may be
"delayed" defects that are not apparent at birth or even during childhood,
they are both longterm and permanent defects. As a preponderance of drugs
easily pass through the placental "barrier" as well as the mammary
epithelium into the milk, the developing mammal remains susceptible to the
teratogenic effects of aternally administered drugs from conception,
through fetal development, parturition and during nursing. Just as maternal
drug consumption can threaten the health of the unborn child, a far more
insidious danger may result from the inadvertent exposure of the perinate
to a "sea" of pervasive environmental chemicals. Many of the chemicals in
our air, water and food supply can cause malformations, and like certain
drugs, we have proposed that they may also produce more subtle biochemical
defects. In support of our hypothesis, we have found that peripartum
exposure to therapeutic or dietary levels of phenytoin, phenobarbital,
monosodium glutamate (MSG) and monosodium aspartate (MSA) can all produce
latent, but permanent defects in the hepatic monooxygenase system. In some
cases the defects are "silent", and are only expressed when the system is
challenged with an inducing agent. In future studies we propose to examine
two fundamental questions. 1) How do the teratogens induce their defects at
the time of exposure? 2) How are the latent defects expressed in adulthood?
We plan to examine these questions by a) determining the susceptible forms
of P450 and their mRNAs, b) identifying the defects in the induction
mechanisms, c) s tudying the role of endogenous hormones in the induction
and expression of the monooxygenase defects, and d) investigating the
ability of hormones to reverse the abnormalities.

5.References:
6.Category: MODELS
7.Subcategory: BASIC RESEARCH
8.Keywords for Experimental System/Species: MAMMALIAN, LABORATORY STUDY,
FATE AND TRANSPORT
9.Keywords for Experimental Endpoints: HORMONE RECEPTORS, REPRODUCTIVE,
CYTOCHROME P450
10.Chemical Agents:
11.Performing Institution: UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
12.Contact: NICHD Public Information Office; 301-496-5133

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   Regards...

     Dave Rietz... Mission Possible, South Carolina
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>>

Since Kathrynne Holden is speaking to us today, I'll be passing this
message along to her also for her comments.  For those of you whom I could
not entice to her presentation in Dallas - you'll just have to wait!  <G>

Art