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Date:         Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:10:02 -0330
From:         Anne Rutherford <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: the alien got me too! (fwd)
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Janet Kathrynne Martin Howard and all

Lookit what showed up in my mail box after my posting to the list about the 'alien' Now I am going to fold up my tent and disappear into the darkness. Please no more

A Rutherford

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:16:07 EST
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: the alien got me too!

Ann!

Hi, it's Howard!  No, it is no scam.  I did not realize that Martin was a Professional Publisher who was simply trying to establish credibility for inclusion of my letter in one or more of his Journals or Books.  The frustration factor is high in his business, and I truly do understand, and am honored that my note was even considered.

As to my not thanking you for your recognition of me, I apologize profusely, and ask your forgiveness.  It is now time for more Sinimet....

Thank you for being so nice.

Howard
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Date:         Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:09:42 -0700
From:         "Kathrynne Holden, MS,RD" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: the alien got me too! (fwd)
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Well, speaking for myself, my clients present me with a great deal of information having varying degrees of accuracy, often for very good reasons. I take their words at face value unless/until I have reason to believe otherwise. I say keep the faith -- let's not fold our tents yet!

Best,
Kathrynne

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Date:         Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:36:32 EST
From:         [log in to unmask]
Subject:      RE Welcome Howard
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I,too,wrote a sympathetic, friendly welcome to Howard. But, as I am sometimes wont to do, I made an error in the address... and the Daemon sent it back..

[log in to unmask]  (Mary Manfredi)

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Date:         Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:07:14 -0800
From:         "J. R. Bruman" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: CBGD and PSP
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Howard Collins wrote:
>
> No, mine was a special situation, he allows.  A rare derelict form of
> Parkinsonism, but called CBDG + PSP!  (CorticoBasal Ganglia Degeneration and
> Progressive Supranuclear Palsy.)

Howard, you have my sympathy even though I can't offer help. The two conditions you describe are much more rare than the "garden variety" Parkinson's disease that afflicts most of our listmember patients, and consequently much less is known about treatment and prognosis. As I understand it, neither responds well, if at all, to dopamine-enhancement therapy which is the mainstay of PD treatment. Your neurologist must be very good to have spotted those obscure diseases. I think they are often not recognized, and if you are up to it, it would be valuable to all of us if you would keep us informed about the progression of your symptoms.

Joe

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:15:48 -0500
From:         janet paterson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      sagas / mysteries / aliens
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hi all

my sniffer [such as it is] is working overtime
i've been wondering

?

if someone had a notable skill in writing
as well as a marked interest in self promotion in the long term
and wanted to build up traffic to her/his website this month in particular
whether a mystery newbie was de-scammed in a virtual nanosecond by said someone
while said mystery newbie sent out cheerful, private, but terminal greetings
all the while sprinkling compliments about said de-scammer

?

janet
putting her little grey cells to work

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:45:27 EST
From:         "Callie M. Judd" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: CBGD and PSP  HELP! WHAT'S FOR REAL?!!
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"alian " (?) Howard replied to me about Eye Problems - Why I don't know, but what he said confused me-

If this person is a hoax, which after reading all the posts from and pertaining to him I feel he must be, what is the reply from this man from California mean? Is he an alian too.  If so how can we feel safe about the info on this list- that we aren't waisting time with the possibilities of being made idiots if we respond.

Thanks for the warnings, but I need further clarification about this kind of situation on lists such as this.         Thanks.

                                     Marie

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Date:         Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:29:39 -0800
From:         "J. R. Bruman" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: (no subject)
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Charles T. Meyer, M.D. wrote:
> Congratulations and thanks.  We certainly don't need to get caught up in
> "helping" a sociopath.

If "Howard" is a hoax it seems like a lot of trouble to go to. A letter like his would still get my attention and benefit of the doubt, until proven false. What was the point? If it's merely the result of some mentally deranged attempt at humor, that itself deserves some pity.

Cheers,
Joe

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:18:14 -0500
From:         janet paterson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: CBGD and PSP / sagas and aliens and finks, oh my!
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hi all

At 00:45 1999/02/08 EST, marie wrote:
>"alian " (?) Howard replied to me about Eye Problems -
>Why I don't know, but what he said confused me-

somehow, i'm not surprised
he has written to me a few times
[*** see bottom of this message***]
and has not revealed much except that he thinks martin bayne is
'a clever fellow' 'with computers'

>If this person is a hoax, which after reading all the posts from
>and pertaining to him I feel he must be, what is the reply from
>this man from California mean?

if you mean joe bruman, he is a long-time contributor to this group
and his messages usually state his meaning pretty darn clearly

>Is he an alian too.

maybe!
maybe we all are!?!

>If so how can we feel safe about the info on this list- that we
>aren't waisting time with the possibilities of being made idiots
>if we respond.

we can feel pretty safe
in my three years on the list
i've only seen maybe 5 genuine dyed-in-the-wool scam / spam artists

any other aliens that i've seen
were simply sufferers of surpluses of bizarre senses of humour / humor

if we respond from our hearts
how can we be 'made' idiots?

if we get taken in by a pro scammer
how can that 'make' us idiots?

if we harden our hearts to all comers
and turn away all the rest as well as the 5 scammers
then i think we will have been made idiots

>Thanks for the warnings, but I need further clarification
>about this kind of situation on lists such as this...

i have a web page on 'being hustled on the list'
if you have wwweb access, you might find it interesting

if this saga is a work of fiction
i cannot think of anyone other than the
initiator of the 'i'm on to you robert fink' thread
who has the skill and the, shall i say, 'warped-ness' of the brayne

yoo-hoo?!

janet

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:28:26 EST
From:         "Callie M. Judd" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: CBGD and PSP / sagas and aliens and finks, oh my!
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Janet:  

My thoughts about being made an idiot is that if the info sounds straight about meds. or conditions, a person could be inclined to ask questions of their Dr.   I would hate to have our Neuro or optometrist die of laughter from such a situation, or worse yet wast their time on something they weren't sure of.

Thanks for the insight- I'll certainly keep it in mind and continue to lead from the heart....
                                    Marie

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:16:47 -0500
From:         "Martin K. Bayne" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Adieu!
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So, this is what it comes down to. Accused of concocting this elaborate scheme to bring a few extra visitors to a web site. I am truly disappointed. Effective today, I respectfully sign off the listserv. My PD advocacy, however, will continue. For those wishing to stay in touch, mail to: [log in to unmask]

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:28:09 -0500
From:         "Shafer, Marilyn" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Adieu!
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I must say I am totally confused by what happened, is happening vis-a-vis this topic.  Is it even worth someone's time to explain it to me?...

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:04:06 -0600
From:         Nita Andres <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re Adieu
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I just don't understand this at all. Why all of this fuss? Nita Andres

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:20:17 -0500
From:         "Marjorie L. Moorefield" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Re Adieu
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All of this fuss is because Janet opened her mouth without engaging her brain!!!!

Martin K. Bayne is one of the charter members of this List. One of the good guys who won't stand still for being insulted, and I can't blame him at all.

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:20:54 -0600
From:         Nita Andres <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Re Adieu

Thank you Marjorie, that is what I thought , but someplace  I lost track of
this. I did write Martin to stay. Nita

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:17:12 -0700
From:         "Kathrynne Holden, MS,RD" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Adieu!
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Please, Martin, reconsider; I do not believe listmembers think you concocted ANY scheme whatsoever. I'm very sure you don't need to usher visitors to your very-well-visited and excellent website. I truly hope you will re-think this and stay with the list

Kathrynne

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Date:         Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:24:18 -0800
From:         "J. R. Bruman" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: sagas / mysteries / aliens
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janet paterson wrote:
> if someone had a notable skill in writing
> ?

I noticed that too; it didn't seem to fit the profile of your average schoolboy jerk who thinks a rubber crutch is real funny. That's why my first reply is factual but emotionless. Even after seeing the smart-ass aol profile, I would think: maybe that was long ago, before he got sick, or maybe he's just borrowing somebody else's ISP, as many newcomers do. If I had to judge, I would me much more suspicious of Bill and Leslie's story than of "Howard's", but I always give benefit of the doubt.

Joe

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Date:         Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:51:43 -0500
From:         janet paterson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: Adieu / no-no
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hi all

on Mon, 8 Feb 1999, at  14:20:17, marjorie wrote:
>All of this fuss is because Janet opened her mouth
>without engaging her brain!!!!
>
>Martin K. Bayne is one of the charter members of this List.
>One of the good guys who won't stand still for being insulted,
>and I can't blame him at all.

holy moly marjorie
i thought personal attacks were the prime no-no on this list!

i beg to differ with you in re my brain
it was hard at work before i sent any message
i highly recommend it

i'm perplexed by your description of martin as a charter member?
Since When?
since i remember when he joined
that must make me a founding father!

and
What Insult?
for someone who seems to enjoy high-minded teasing
he's got some pretty thin skin there

janet

listmember since october 1, 1995
one of the good girls
standing still

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[*** my message exchange with howard***]
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From:    [log in to unmask]
Date:    Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:58:22 EST
To:      [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Saga of "Howard Collins" / AOL Member Profile
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Hmmmm......First time ever referred to as a sociopath!  Thank you Janet!  But
I'm sure that the fellow has some personal problems we are not aware of.
Perhaps if he needs help, we can be of assistance to him.

Howard

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Date:    Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:11:30 -0500
To:      [log in to unmask]
From:    janet paterson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The Saga of "Howard Collins" / AOL Member Profile
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hello howard!

so tell me

is you is
or
is you aint

1. married
2. to a lovely lady
3. diagnosed with psp

and where'd you learn to wraht lahk thaht?
[in mah bayest tayksass hax-sainte]

janet

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From:    [log in to unmask]
Date:    Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:23:14 EST
To:      [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Saga of "Howard Collins" / AOL Member Profile
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Janet!

Yes, I am married to a lovely lady, who has Rheumatoid Arthritis.  I have been diagnosed with CBGD and PSP.  It's still scary, in that the Medical staff (except for my friend) is very reluctant to talk with me about it.  Perhaps it is a blessing in a curious way.  I am getting my estate papers, etc., into a reasonable order, perhaps for the first time ever.

Where did I learn to write like that?  Perhaps a buildup of sinemet; you know, Hallucinations....

Incidentally, have you ever been told you have only 2 years to live, when you were looking forward to 20?...Not easy..

Best Regards

Howard

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From:    [log in to unmask]
Date:    Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:38:28 EST
To:      [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The Saga of "Howard Collins" / AOL Member Profile / hc challenge
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Janet,

Amazing, truly amazing.  I'm always reminded about a little thing an ex- college Prof used to say/Each morning we had class, he'd walk in and enunciate "All Indians walk in single file, at least the two I saw did"!  The obvious was that he was trying to get us to understand that conclusions made from single observations might not be meaningful.

You and/or Martin might want to contact me directly if I can be of any help in clearing up this "Shroud of Mystery" !  Incidentally, I'm a novice at being a sleuth and am curious as to how Martin was able to match the two documents so quickly!  He's a sharp fellow with computers!

Have a good day!

Howard

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From:    [log in to unmask]
Date:    Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:40:29 EST
To:      [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: sagas / mysteries / aliens
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Very imaginative, and this is cute, but No.  I'm probably not smart enough to do that!  Anyhow, my fingers get so darn stiff, I type mostly with three fingers-not pretty!  Were it not for this new Spellchecker, I might never get anything out... : )

Regards,

Howard

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janet paterson - 51 now /41 dx /37 onset - almonte/ontario/canada
<http://www.newcountry.nu/pd/members/janet/index.htm>
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